snafuI ask again: just how old is the constitution? Does it apply to now, or is it something that was written a long time ago with little relevance to today – sort of like the bible, but with less science fiction.
For example, in this day and age does it really need to be said that the military must not force householders to lodge troops in their property without their consent? — Yes.
You cannot remember, can you.
And capitalism is…what, to you? Men with (lots of) money trying to exploit those without (much, or no) money to make more money? Capitalism is slavery, unless you are on the top of the dung pile you will forever be trying to climb to the top while the head ‘kahuna’ reaps the reward. There is little (or no) incentive to look out for other members of the community, the sick, the elderly and those unable to work cast aside like the broken machines the top ‘dog’ believes them to be.
Maybe you’ve never been shafted by your boss, but at least here is the ‘Socialist Republic of UK’ we can complain about what the boss did, take our complaint to a tribunal and have the complaint investigated independently without the boss being allowed to lean on the complainant to back down, without the boss being able to bribe the tribunal, and without the boss victimising the complainant, or even the thought that the boss might send someone over to shoot us in revenge… — If your boss committed a crime in the U.S. there are many laws to alter the situation and U.S. lawyers love to sue whether there is a reason or not.
It doesn’t need to be a crime, merely something that makes your life so much more difficult. But that is not the point – what is capitalism to you, other than an opposite to socialism.
If you simply do not like the way the boss runs his company, go work somewhere else.
NO one forced you to take that job.
For boss read line manager, department head, office manager, a person who says one thing then insists you should have been doing it the other way, the man who will only let you have one pen a month due to cutbacks yet will sneak home one or two reams of printer paper aweek and order ink for a printer the office doesn’t have but he has at home, the person you have to cover for when the big boss wander around and you know he has sloped off home insisting he will be in at the weekend when you know he won’t, the man who creates your performance appraisal out of thin air because he didn’t save a copy of last years so invents a list of objectives that he asks you to rate yourself on in the appraisal! The person who makes your work life thoroughly awful when you go above him and complain to his boss… Nothing illegal, as such.
Democratic Republic, the US? What, like East Germany was? With a US equivalent of the Stasi, children informing on their parents, phones tapped, etc? I think someone is pulling your leg…
That last comment of asinine ignorance speaks for itself.
You gotta laugh, haven’t you…:O)
Ok, maybe you don’t, but the rest of us will.
Something that concerned me was Obama’s comment after the 49 deaths at the recent club shooting.
“We must prevent potential terrorists, or people convicted of such crimes to be able to legally obtain an assault rifle”.
Implying that it’s fine for everyone else to own one?I also watched on TV a us cop program where an SRV was searched and they found (quite legal) two 44 magnum ammo speed loaders.
One has to ask what threat the average American feels they will encounter while on holiday, in their own country, to warrant 12 rounds of .44 ?
Pest control. Assault rifles and .44s, nothing better – you ask RpR, he swears by them. Lots of lead and/or big heavy slugs does the job right everytime. Vermin like rats, skunk, penguins, big foot…
snafuDon’t blame me
A few hours ago I saw a sign on the back of a lorry:
It looked like the sort of thing made on an office A3 printer, but the sentiment is understood.
Still, shall we talk about the jobs to be lost to Europe, the jobs that will not be filled in Britain, the price of fuel going up, the illegals still trying to get here despite the fact we have declared our xenophobia internationally…?
snafuLet your fingers do the searching. On Google.
Pre-War history
Now, this aircraft had a pre-war Scandinavian history. KLM used it, among other routes, between Amsterdam and Stockholm. On September 26, 1939, while on its flight from Stockholm to Amsterdam, a German fighter attacked this particular aircraft. A Swedish passenger on board the KLM-machine was killed and the aircraft received 80 hits. KLM-Captain Jan Moll managed to get the aircraft to Amsterdam/Schiphol. After this incident KLM painted its aircraft orange and applied the letters HOLLAND on the fuselage and wings.
In German service
But on May 10, 1940 the aircraft was abandoned at Amsterdam/Schiphol and on May 16, 1940 seized by the Luftwaffe that registered it as NA+LE. On June 15, 1940 it was passed on to Deutsche Lufthansa AG, which used it on the Berlin – København (Copenhagen) – Oslo air service. It had its first landing at Oslo/Fornebo on Monday September 9, 1940. It was used on the air service until August 1941 and had its first registered emergency landing near Oslo on August 21, 1941. On board were two passengers and two crewmembers, together with 34 kg luggage and 126.79 kg freight and airmail. The aircraft was transported by train through neutral Sweden (!) to Germany and Switzerland, where it was repaired at the Zürich workshop of Swiss airline company Swissair. This company was responsible for the maintenance and overhaul of the Lufthansa Douglas-fleet throughout the War. In June 1942 it returned into service, but did not land at Oslo/Fornebo again until October 1942.
Again the aircraft returned to regular duty and it was therefore interesting to read about the emergency landing at Nøtterøy during the winter of 1943. According to my archive the aircraft had been in Oslo on February 22, but no return flight to København could be found. So we do not know the number of passengers on board at the time of the extra-ordinary landing. We know that the aircraft was flying in southern direction towards København. According to the article the aircraft must have been on the farmland until April 1943, but this is incorrect.
It may well have been there for some time, but already on March 8, 1943 the aircraft made a regular landing at Oslo/Fornebo with one passenger, 10 kg of luggage and 12.8 kg of freight and mail. It came from Berlin and København. The final fate of the aircraft is unknown. Its last departure from Oslo/Fornebo towards København and Berlin was on August 5, 1944. It has been in service until at least September 3, 1944. One thing is for sure: KLM never got its aircraft back at the end of the Second World War. But the people of the island of Nøtterøy had experienced a unique event.
http://www.europeanairlines.no/secret-emergency-landing-at-n%C3%B8tter%C3%B8y/
snafuIf you think there is any disrespect intended in an obituary thread that celebrates those whose death might have passed you by then that probably says more about you than you would have hoped. Some might have thought he would have been celebrated on the historic forum, but he isn’t so he is here along with people you might have heard of, plus things, animals and whatever else has suffered a demise and been posted.
Still, when the last survivor retires to the officers mess in many years time then you can mention it.
snafuA man who was amongst the first to bomb Japan, and a dummy.
Retired Staff Sgt. David Thatcher, one of the last two surviving members of the Doolittle Raiders – who bombed Japan in an attack that stunned that nation and boosted U.S. morale – has died in Missoula, Mont., his family said.
http://www.whio.com/news/news/local/report-doolittle-raider-david-thatcher-has-died/nrk7J/
MythBusters came to an end earlier this year, and legendary crash test dummy Buster did not survive his final experiment. The one bright side of the poor dummy’s demise is that his contributions to science have not been forgotten. According to Adam Savage, Buster got the end he earned after his hard work over 14 seasons.
There’s an international church of Buster because he’s been resurrected so many times… We put him on a rocket sled, accelerated him to the speed of sound and ran him into a brick wall. And you can see fire at the outline. There’s so much friction between him and the concrete wall that things catch fire, which is astounding. We found about 20 pounds worth of Buster chunks. We never found his rib cage, his head, his pelvis. We never found the largest portions of him. We think he is pretty much vaporized. And that’s right and proper. Buster deserved to go out that way.
There is video of the last, if you want to see the demise of Buster in slow motion glory… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg7mQ6hN96k&feature=youtu.be
snafuReports first said fifty injured, now they were injured by the CD gas the police used…
An armed and masked man has been shot dead by German special police officers after storming a cinema complex in Viernheim, in the Hesse region.
The gunman had taken several hostages, all of whom escaped uninjured. A number of people inside the cinema were lightly injured when police deployed CS gas, reports said.
Police said they had no indication of the motives of the man who entered the Kinopolis complex at about 3pm local time, shortly after the start of the first screenings of the day.
The cinema had been showing The Jungle Book, Alice in Wonderland and the comedy Central Intelligence. According to several reports in German media, the man was wearing a balaclava and carrying combat boots and a “long weapon”, with a munition belt slung over his shoulder.
Interesting points:
Germany has one of the highest weapons-per-head rates in the world, but one of the lowest gun homicide rates in Europe: 0.05 per 1,000 people, compared with 3.34 in the US.
Incidents of gun crime, including the use of weapons to threaten people, have declined by almost a quarter since 2010, a trend that many experts put down to gun law changes after a string of high-profile shootings, including the killing of 15 people at a school in Winnenden near Stuttgart in March 2009.
Germany is the only country in the world where anyone under the age of 25 who applies for their first firearms licence must undergo a psychiatric evaluation with a trained counsellor, including personality and anger management tests.
See that, RpR, they had massacres but changed laws and shootings have dropped by nearly 25%! If only you liked people enough to care.
snafuYour PC.
snafuCurses – thought they’d caught up with him at last!
snafuThink the quote you are mangling up was by Rhett Butler (Clark Gable) in Gone With The Wind (1939): Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn. That was a revisionist film that glorified slavery – somewhat appropriate I suppose. —
No as usual your self-righteous bias gets in the way of the truth.
The theme behind the movie is how during times of survival– standards, ways of thinking and modes of life are — gone with the wind.
But why look for truth when you can let your bias rule
My bias?
The New York Post film critic Lou Lumenick has called for Gone with the Wind, the 1939 multi-Oscar-winning epic, to no longer be screened in cinemas.
“If the Confederate flag is finally going to be consigned to museums as an ugly symbol of racism,” writes Lumenick, “what about the beloved film offering the most iconic glimpse of that flag in American culture?”
The most controversial aspect of Gone With the Wind is the film’s depiction of race relations. Though freed from the novel’s positive portrayal of the Ku Klux Klan, Gone With the Wind’s depiction of slavery remains decidedly simplistic. Adopting historian U. B. Phillip’s “plantation school” view of the institution, the film shows slaves as well-treated, blindly cheerful “darkies” loyal to their benevolent masters. Slaves are portrayed as normal employees, are rewarded with presents like the master’s pocket watch if they’ve been appropriately loyal, and are allowed to scold the young mistress of the house as if they were a part of the family. Big Sam leaves Tara only when ordered and with extreme reluctance and later saves Scarlett at serious risk to his own life…
http://www.sparknotes.com/film/gonewiththewind/section4.rhtml
…The film’s release took place nearly two years before Pearl Harbor and the U.S’ entry into World War II, a time when segregation was the law and lynchings were common in the South and when blatant racial discrimination existed throughout the U.S.
Slaves were shown in the film as unintelligent and childlike, content with their lot, with only some deviants choosing to seek freedom. An earlier film classic, D. W. Griffith’s 1915 Birth of a Nation portrayed African-American men as sexual predators, lusting for white women. Neither film depicted the brutality of slavery and of the de jure and de facto segregation that followed…
…Epic though it may be, this motion picture could never have been made today—not in the same era, for example, as “Django Unchained” or “The Help.” In 1939, when “Gone With The Wind” was unveiled in Atlanta with Confederate regalia and unrestrained wistfulness, it was still socially acceptable to portray, and it was even understood, that black people were supposed to be in bondage to white Americans.
And there was even an amiable appropriateness to their obsequiousness. The movie successfully conveys an actual nostalgia for the Old South, even as it trivializes the dehumanization of black children and adults while failing to illustrate a single instance of lynching, raping, and the tearing apart of families that were at the core of the American slave culture.
Everyone who suffers, is killed or wounded, or falls in and out of love, or receives medical care, or for whom money is raised, is white. The black women are servile, to say the least, and hideously objectified; the black men are emasculated, without a trace of rebelliousness, and they even take pride in helping fortify Atlanta against “them Yankees.”…
http://www.examiner.com/article/gone-with-the-wind-is-a-painfully-glossy-depiction-of-slavery
But that will be the bias of others and does not count either, I guess.
When others start trotting this, that or other things that ignore the Constitution this country is founded on, they are treated with as much respect as they deserve.
To attack the Constitution without a indepth knowledge of life in the U.S. beyond the major cities which is really all those overseas ever hear about, is foolish ignorance.
I ask again: just how old is the constitution? Does it apply to now, or is it something that was written a long time ago with little relevance to today – sort of like the bible, but with less science fiction.
For example, in this day and age does it really need to be said that the military must not force householders to lodge troops in their property without their consent?
Oh quite well really but here it is just for you.
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.To cut to the chase theoretically it is majority rules, which is how slavery managed to survive in the South.
In reality it is a few kahunas who tell the masses when to drop their pants and squat.As an aside do not give some babble about a democracy as the U.S. is not a democracy and never has been, it is a Democratic Republic.
Kahunas – plural of, a shaman, someone in charge, a large wave that can be surfed. Hmm…
And capitalism is…what, to you? Men with (lots of) money trying to exploit those without (much, or no) money to make more money? Capitalism is slavery, unless you are on the top of the dung pile you will forever be trying to climb to the top while the head ‘kahuna’ reaps the reward. There is little (or no) incentive to look out for other members of the community, the sick, the elderly and those unable to work cast aside like the broken machines the top ‘dog’ believes them to be. Maybe you’ve never been shafted by your boss, but at least here is the ‘Socialist Republic of UK’ we can complain about what the boss did, take our complaint to a tribunal and have the complaint investigated independently without the boss being allowed to lean on the complainant to back down, without the boss being able to bribe the tribunal, and without the boss victimising the complainant, or even the thought that the boss might send someone over to shoot us in revenge…
Ah, but I forgot that it is not a concern to you since people don’t matter.
Democratic Republic, the US? What, like East Germany was? With a US equivalent of the Stasi, children informing on their parents, phones tapped, etc? I think someone is pulling your leg…
snafuHush, he doesn’t care about the common prole – unless they are gun owners under threat of having their gun taken away…;o)
snafuHo, hum…yes, because the way guns are being regulated at the moment is working very well, isn’t it.[/sarcasm]
So it looks like we shall just have to wait for more innocents to get gunned down by some crazy with a gripe. Not that you care, of course.
snafuAre you saying it would be different under a different government? — The Democrats want the government to own your life, so yes.
Obviously there has to be politics in this for you, people don’t matter. Have you thought that maybe the government should control this matter, since obviously the regulations in place at the moment are obviously unfit for purpose.
That the FBI, having found no reason to continue investigating, were wrong to close their investigation and should have devoted more time, effort, officers and money to this and every other similar case, just to be sure? That the FBI, having to spend extra time effort, officers and money carrying on investigating cases where they found no evidence yet still are required investigating until they find something to justify their investigations, miss something because they had nobody available to take on further investigations and so require more officers and more money just to carry on their normal duties whilst still investigating all those investigations that had originally been dropped since no evidence had been found. Is that what you are saying? — NO.
I am glad that at this point one is ALWAYS IS SUPPOSED TO BE, and often still is, innocent till proven guilty . No guilt no reason for investigation.
Hillary is saying that what the FBI did was wrong, that the government should be able to put persons on lists, and act on those lists as they see fit.
??? And that is different to what Wiggy Trump said in what way?
If the world turns upside down and Forest Trump gets the big job I can see Gitmo becoming rather crowded.
Still, you won’t be worried since you will still have your guns – have to pay a lot more tax to finance the larger FBI and the upgraded security services because the world has suddenly become a whole lot more dangerous, but at least you’d have your gun to cuddle…
See above about Hillary, which is fact and makes your statement about Trump obtuse.
No, no statement about Trumpy is ever obtuse, not after some of the gibberish he has uttered.
snafuHate, oh, oh another closet member of the DNC quoting obtuse sound byte terms.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I am so ashamed.:highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused::highly_amused:To alter a quote of a person who flew combat missions in WWII: Frankly, my snafu, I don’t give a damn!”
If I am close enough to assist in protecting some one I will, but as far as persons I do not know and have no impact on my life, please see altered quote above.
The entire response to this shooting by anyone involved in government is nothing but a tool to push foreward a political agenda.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is a naive ignorant tool.The difference is one side wants to give government more power to control civilian lives and the other want to reduce government to the level the Constitution says it should be at.
Those of you raised in a country that is socialist or semi-socialist based will never understand that with damned few exceptions.
Think the quote you are mangling up was by Rhett Butler (Clark Gable) in Gone With The Wind (1939): Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn. That was a revisionist film that glorified slavery – somewhat appropriate I suppose.
The response by the world has been one of shock and horror that something like this event can be allowed to happen in a modern, first world nation, that the ‘tools’ used can be obtained easily, and that no one with any authority appears interested in preventing the occurrence of further massacres. The fact that you don’t care is not something you keep hidden but when others put forward ideas to prevent the needless deaths of innocent people you are happy to knock their suggestions – if their suggestions involve anything to do with your guns: your agenda, maybe?
Your constitution was put in place how long ago? Maybe with the number of hostiles around at that time you did need to be able to defend yourself, but in this day and age you will not encounter IS behind every wall or mosque; the problem with allowing access to firearms for all is that all have access to firearms – bad guys as well as good guys, and weirdos and looneys and freaks might not be instantly recognisable as bad guys when buying a gun (they don’t all wear black hats these days). And when coupled with extreme prejudices against sexual preference, religion, skin or hair colour, whatever, it empowers those who hold a weapon together with murderous thoughts and the feeling that they would be the spark that ignites the revolution. Your constitution was put into place so that your country would not be beholden to anyone; well, you and your countrymen are under the rule of the gun and the entire world can see this, everyone except you and those blind to what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen in the future. But you don’t care because it is not happening to you. Yet.
Do you know what socialism means? It is a way of organising society so that no one gets left behind (ok, there is also bits about ownership of production and regulating distribution and exchange for the benefit of the community which you – and others – will know get fixated with, but it is the ‘benefit of the community’ bit that I am concerned with): ie there are no starving children or elderly, there is no one at the top of the heap making demands that mean that one group of people, be they from a particular ethnic group, religion, sexual orientation, sex, nationality hair colour, whatever, are singled out, where people get a good education and fair pay for their work and are not exploited by the owners of production (think those children in the far east who would have to save their entire wage for half a year to afford a pair of the trainers they make), and where people can live a safe life free from persecution be it from their own government, another religious faction, another nation.
I am sure there is plenty more I could put but…you don’t give a damn. Didn’t you say you were a christian? What a wonderful example of religious tolerance you are – straight out of the IS handbook.
snafu
We’d note that in the Orlando case, however, the shooter, Omar Mateen, bought his guns after he was no longer on a terrorist watch list. FBI Director James B. Comey has said that Mateen was on the FBI’s Terrorist Watchlist in 2013 and 2014 when the FBI was investigating him, first due to co-workers raising concerns about Mateen’s incendiary language about terrorism and then due to him having “casually” known a suicide bomber who attended the same mosque in Florida. The FBI didn’t find evidence to arrest Mateen, Comey told reporters, and the investigations were closed, which removes suspects from the watch list, the New York Times reported.Yep just what we need another worthless law that given the government more power.:eagerness::eagerness::eagerness::eagerness::eagerness::eagerness:
Are you saying it would be different under a different government? That the FBI, having found no reason to continue investigating, were wrong to close their investigation and should have devoted more time, effort, officers and money to this and every other similar case, just to be sure? That the FBI, having to spend extra time effort, officers and money carrying on investigating cases where they found no evidence yet still are required investigating until they find something to justify their investigations, miss something because they had nobody available to take on further investigations and so require more officers and more money just to carry on their normal duties whilst still investigating all those investigations that had originally been dropped since no evidence had been found. Is that what you are saying?
If the world turns upside down and Forest Trump gets the big job I can see Gitmo becoming rather crowded.
Still, you won’t be worried since you will still have your guns – have to pay a lot more tax to finance the larger FBI and the upgraded security services because the world has suddenly become a whole lot more dangerous, but at least you’d have your gun to cuddle…
snafuAnother joins the 27 club…
Anton Yelchin, a charismatic rising star best known for playing Chekov in the rebooted Star Trek films, has died at the age of 27. He was killed in a traffic accident early on Sunday morning, his publicist, Jennifer Allen, confirmed.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/jun/19/anton-yelchin-star-trek-actor-dies-car-crash
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