WyvernfanWyvernfanThe Dead Sea Scrolls (yes, the actual physical items), historical artifacts of far greater fragility, antiquity, and world-wide value than that Hawker Typhoon have just gone on display in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA… having been shipped over from Israel.
I believe your concerns are unrealistic.
Thanks for that Bager1968. As i have already stated it is my opinion, being posted on a public forum, whether you see it as “unrealistic” or not. I am a naturally cautious type of person, and the ‘it’ll be alright on the night’ type of attitude is just not me. Accidents do happen, such as the damage that befell the Fairey Battle during its return to Hendon. And yes of course that is not necessarilly a reason to prevent the movement of aircraft, or indeed any other type of unique artifacts, as nothing would ever move.
But personally i’ll just be happy when its returned safe and sound 😉
Rob
WyvernfanApologies for not responding sooner, but working till 9pm last night meant reading the forum was not exactly top of my list of priorities.
Andy S, thank you and i’ll try to respond to your reply in the order of the points you raise.
Firstly, your post directly followed mine, therefore i believe i was justified in thinking you were responding directly to me – albeit with words that were twisting what i had originally said. You have now stated that it was a “general observation” of what you saw as an “attitude that was coming across”. Ok, fair enough, i now understand what it was that you were trying to say so thank you for the explanation.
Secondly, you mention that you are “hopefully” going to be in a position to help me quite considerably in my quest next year. But i’m a little perplexed as to why you mention this first on a public forum, and not to me directly beforehand?! If you can help then great – fantastic, and you’ll be given credit in due course with my complete gratitude – as i have done with other fellow enthusiasts who have helped me in the past. But seeing as i believe we havn’t spoken about the Wyvern for nearly three years then its a strange comment to make in public first on this thread and during a simple misunderstanding of words used, as it does somewhat divert away from the original nature of our posts.
Lastly, as you have quoted me on a particular part of my post where i state that you find it difficult to accept other opinions different from your own and seen it as “intentionally insulting” (which i can assure you it wasn’t !), then please tell me why you are continuing to make posts such as #71 which is obviously having a dig at my choice of words and concern for its safety? You’ve made your point Andy, and i understand that, believe me no-one understands where you are coming from more than me. So whats the need of sarky comments to reinforce it? To me all its doing is giving credence to my original claim, as if you can accept a different point of view then you wouldn’t feel the need to keep rubbishing others. Let it go fella :highly_amused:
Anyway, apologies to the OP for the thread drift.
Rob
WyvernfanWell, thank you kind sir!
To the best of my knowledge we have never fallen out, Rob. On the contrary; I am pleased to have been able to willingly help you on occasions in the past. However, I am sorry to hear that you feel I struggle with the concept of differences of opinion. I think, like many others on this forum, I have often commented that I respect this opinion or that view, and in this context I respect the view of Tony who made the OP. But it doesn’t mean I agree with him, and in this respect I truly don’t understand the protests at the loan of this aircraft to one of our closest Allies. I suspect I am very far from alone. Perhaps that means I am not alone in having difficulty understanding an opinion which is different to my own. Which is something, I suppose. It would be exceedingly dull if we all had the same opinion and the whole purpose of the forum would be utterly pointless. And if I ‘understood’ the opinion that it should stay in the UK, well, presumably I’d be agreeing with that view, anyway?!
Falling out, Andy? I totally agree – we havn’t as far as i know, but i’m struggling to see the relevance of that part of your post. Although perhaps as you have left off the last part of my sentence where i accused myself of the same thing then it might help explain why.
But your response to my post was “i really fail to understand the protective and parochial attitude that wants to deny others who have just as much right to see, study and enjoy this aircraft”. Where in my post did i say that? As i stated in my reply my primary concern as an aviation enthusiast was to the welbeing of this unique airframe. A welbeing that has so far been successful by its staying on these shores. Nothing was said about deliberately denying others of seeing it. Your making me out to be some sort of killjoy just for the sake of it.
I never have a problem with other sides of a discussion, Andy, but please don’t turn my words around to have a different meaning.
You have helped me once before in the past with some photos, Andy – for which i was extremely grateful, much in the same way that i have put money in your pocket before. I’ve always presumed its what like minded enthusiasts do. But if you see my post to you as “falling out” then i’m somewhat mystified !
Rob
WyvernfanWyvernfan, suggest you read this, top of page three…
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/collections/74-A-27-Typhoon-MN235-public.pdf
It’s not a “complete” example at all… it’s a partial repro…
” Arrived in UK missing one 20mm cannon, spinner, most engine cowlings, starboard aileron, undercarriage parts, radiator/oil cooler unit, side panels below cockpit and various inspection panels.
The missing cannon was replaced from RAFM stocks; the spinner was adapted from a HP Hastings spinner and other parts were made by 27 MU. The aircraft was in generally good condition with only slight corrosion.
Replacement engine cowlings were made from sheet aluminium, and the missing radiator was replaced by a cut-down Bedford lorry unit made to look like the original from the front at least.”Had no wartime service, wasn’t even in the country for D-Day, on loan to the Yanks… and the invasion stripes were painted on in 1994 !
Fair comment, Rat Acc, so if its not the only one then show me another surviving example as “complete” as this? (photo credit – Richard Seaman)
Rob
WyvernfanQUOTE Tangmere1940 – The exchange, internationally, of important museum exhibits on loan has gone of for a long while and is an invaluable part of the vitality of museums around the world. Important art exhibitions, Tutankhamun, Titanic exhibits and the recently mentioned locomotives have all travelled between countries – as have a good many airframes, too.
I’m well aware of this, but i’m an aviation enthusiast not a train or Titanic enthusiast, and my concern as such is solely for the well being of this nations only existing complete example of a Hawker Typhoon, should this ‘loan’ actually be going ahead.
I really fail to understand the protective and parochial attitude that wants to deny others who have just as much right as us to see, study and enjoy this aircraft.
I’m not expecting you “to understand” a difference of opinion to your own, Andy, as past threads show that is something you quite often struggle with, regardless of the subject. But perhaps thats something we are all guilty of from time to time.
If a Typhoon veteran in Canada, or families thereof, get to see the beast then I can think of nothing better.
And equally would they be just as pleased if the sole remaining example was lost or damaged whilst being moved across the atlantic on their behalf.?… i very much doubt it !
Rob
WyvernfanWell lets hope nothing happens to it in transit. Yes granted it could be destroyed by fire etc whilst in its current location – but so far it hasn’t, has it !
Shipping the sole remaining complete Typhoon overseas seems a big risk to me, and personally I’d question the pros and cons of doing so .
Just my opinion!
Rob
WyvernfanThanks for the additional information, BobKat. Quite amazing and also sad that so much can change in thirteen years, even to this day.
During my last visit there i was of the opinion that the airfield was just ripe for preservation as a wartime bomber base – had the opportunity come about for any like minded individuals, with so much still intact and in relatively good condition. And despite the resident industrial it reminded me of Duxfords untouched rawness and originality way back in the early seventies before it became what it is today.
Rob
WyvernfanThe Burma thread was exceptional, but that said it was exceptional in many ways.
I’ll remind you that, as well as all the dross, we had the ‘straight from the horses mouth’ input from professionals who’d actually been there. And in great depth and detail.
We know more about that expedition than virtually anyone who was not present.
Sad that some chose still to believe the fable despite their input, but that’s the internet, isn’t it? (I saw another outbreak of the ‘chemtrails’ madness only today.)
Moggy
And just as sad that one moderator – you Moggy C – decided to open a second Burma thread with content that could of easily been tagged onto the existing thread, simply because it backed up your own point of view. In my opinion thats not moderating, sir, thats attempting to dictate opinion !
Rob
WyvernfanThanks for that contribution BobKat, really interesting comparison photos of an airfield i have visited on many occasions in the past.
Rob
WyvernfanAnother one from me of Bassingbourn with Canberra B.2 WJ674 of the resident 231 OCU taken in 1968, and of the same view taken this summer with the original control tower (now home to The Tower Museum) shown in the background.
Incidentally WJ674 crashed some five years later whilst on approach to RAF Cottesmore killing the pilot.
Rob
WyvernfanWyvernfanNickB – Looking forward to your next contribution :p
Propstrike – Nice one.
Rob
WyvernfanNickB’s contribution has spurred me into adding another then and now, this time of ‘Brite Sun’ B-26 Marauder at Bassingbourn and the same view taken recently.
Anyone got anymore?
Rob
WyvernfanLovely then and now photos NickB. Be great if you could add them to this thread :applause:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?121733-Airfield-photos-Then-and-Now
Rob
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