Blimey what a difference… excellent work fella.!
Hi Melv.. is that a pic of ‘695’ at Duxford? If yes then i presume you were sad to see her scrapped.. what with you two having such an intimate past.!?;)
The remains of WB271 were sent for scrapping last year on conclusion of the Board of Inquiry.
Thanks for that Lee.. also do you know if the airframe was stripped of parts/ancilliaries before scrapping, or is it still naval policy not to re-use parts from crashed airframes.?
Don’t think it really matters how good a job it can do.. if its slow its vulnerable. Most aircraft can carry out the job they were intended for, if attacking unopposed, but then how often does that happen?
For instance look at another naval type, the Blackburn Skua. Very good dive bomber, certainly for its time, but once its released its load and is on the deck what then? Top speed of less than 300mph, relatively underpowered, extra weight of second crew member, docile rather than sprightly flying controls.. and then you come face to face with a ‘109’.
Sorry but as much as i like the ‘Stringbag’, for me it was the incredible bravery of the crews rather than the actual aircraft that got the job done.!
They have rebuilt a 2nd one at wolverhampton? I thought?
Not original.. lots of new material with some original parts as i understand it. Hence my “one complete original example” statement.
I must admit to thinking that ‘if’ an example exists in fresh water, such as Loch Ness, and ‘if’ it is relatively complete.. then i would imagine it would not present too many problems as regard to restoring one to flying condition. I have never seen one stripped down but would of thought they used a fairly straightforward construction method.
I know spares would be an issue, but at least the powerplant would’nt present too many problems.!
Thanks… very, very sad day that. Poor lads. I suppose the remains were scrapped then.
Richard
As far as i’m aware they are still held in storage, although someone like Lee Howard would probably know more.
And yes, an extremely sad day.. not just for the needless loss of the two crew but when you consider how long this beauty had been on the airshow circuit, and then one moment of…
Would they not be better off directing there resources/efforts towards the P38 on the beach in Wales that i’ve heard them linked to.. or is that better off without them getting involved anymore.?
Yes i agree.. there is something about the Defiant that just grabs my attention. Such a unique and specialised aeroplane that never really cut the mustard, at least by day anyway, but nevertheless it is an appalling state of affairs to have just one complete original example in existance.
By the way i wonder whats left of the Dalcross Defiant… was / is there a substantially complete airframe still underwater.?
Not to be ghoulish, but does anything survive of the RNHF Firefly WB271?
Richard
It was totally destroyed, but, still in large easily recognisable sections. I remember standing and watching it being loaded on Grange Rd onto the RN low loader for the journey back to Yeovilton.. enough to make yer weep.!
Yes quite possible.. ‘Grumpy’ took off from Dx and formated with a Spitfire then dissapeared for a while, before returning in formation.!
I thought the Buccaneer was only a no go because of the non standard Tornado nose.. and the subsequent problems with paperwork etc to return to standard fit.?! Other than that maybe its not such a definate no. After all there were many who thought the Vixen would never see air under its wings in private ownership.. including apparently Ray Hanna.
I seem to recall that when the Hanna’s were close to getting there MiG-17 or 19 (can’t remember which they owned) into the air, the CAA basically said no because it needed to use re-heat for take-offs. Hence possibly why we have a Vulcan and Sea Vixen flying, and not a Lightning or Mig-17.!
I did something similar a couple of years ago when i moved house.. and my local charity shop in Cambridge took them all (i delivered). Better than binning them i thought.!
Thanks MM!
Cheers Rob! Hopefully I’ll get a chance at this one day. But unless I’m commissioned, it won’t be anytime soon as I still have quite a to-do list to catch up on! 😮
PM sent :).
The thing that really hacks me off is the lack of official recognition by the UK government they heap honours on the likes of Alan Sugar, and Fred Goodwin and their ilk, the French Government recognised their achievement typical of this government and its lousy attitude to servicemen past and present !
Very well put JC… thats why i like to give generously for my poppy. Without these guys most of us would not be here in the first place.!
Harry Patch.. thank you sir.
Please let’s not revisit the Invader can of worms again.
Point taken baz… just glad that nowadays more thought is given to the airframes longevity rather than the pilots bravado..;)