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  • in reply to: UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' #2343261
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    HAWK ace , the AIM-9X has a max range of around 20km when the IR Mica can kill you at 60km .

    Cheers .

    Range is irrelevant to the point made. And the point is that an HMD with any advanced HOBS missile makes maneuverability less important than before, if not obsolete. In this aspect, the Rafale is many, many years behind the competition.

    in reply to: UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' #2343318
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    cost, yes, maybe… it all depends on how much development dassault wants to charage once it started selling it to exports.

    In the end, the price may be much closer between the two than it is now.

    As for the A2A capabilities, no need to be particularily “creative”, the previous exercises set aside (rafale quite surprised navy crews that faced it), the Rafale is rated for higher G-load (standard is +9G, lightly loaded like in demos, it pulls 10Gs routinely, and can pull up to 11 should the need be from what I’ve read) resulting in much tighter turn radius for a given speed, and in the same time it has a lower wing loading (thanks to the delta design) and as good or better T/W ratio (not to speak about thrust to drag ratio, as the SH is all but an aerodynamic success)

    I fear you are leaving outside the obvious… this in combination with this. Both of which are non existent with the Rafale.

    In BVR, the Sh has some good capabilities (good electronics)

    Well, the APG-79 alone can make a whole world of difference, it’s hardly “some good abilities”.

    but the Rafale excells there as well, and with an airframe that is “discrete” as says Dassault, which means it has quite a low RCS and is rather hard to detect,

    You can’t have low RCS in combination with outside fixed refueling probe and canards. It’s a contradiction in terms. But if Dassault feels nice propagating such a concept… good for them 😀

    Other than that, the two aircraft are easily comparable with one being superior to some areas while the other to some other ones. Not exactly the picture discribed as “Rafale making rings around the super Hornet” in my book.

    in reply to: UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' #2344920
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    Now, tell me, with the exception of “not wanting the french aircraft, which IMHO will be the sole choice criteria, should such situation occur, why would the british turn the rafale down in favor of the SH?

    I think cost is a pretty obvious reason.
    Talking about direct procurement, right? If the British want to locally assemble it with integrating some of their own compenents, the difference in cost would be so great that it would not make sense in any way, making your reason “not wanting the french aircraft” a rather obsolete one.

    Other than that, I think some arguments about capability of the SH are rather exaggerating. “Rafale making rings around the super Hornet”? Come one, be a little more creative. If that’s really a serious criterion, then the British should buy the latest F-16 and navalise it. Even that would be far cheaper.

    in reply to: UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' #2345950
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    What’s politically acceptable, first and foremost, is a carrier with naval planes on the deck. If the British choose the Rafale to populate their carrier then the French may do something to ease the deal but they don’t have to.

    They do, at least if they want to achieve a sale. Would not be the first time either, remember the talking about France buying KC390s to ease the deal for Rafale sale in Brasil.

    They owe the British nothing, especially since the EFA era.

    Which has actually cost them a lot, in many ways.

    in reply to: UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' #2346249
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    By the way, also for the record, a few decades ago this story was repeated with switched roles, the French licence building british fighters for their navy, the Aquilon:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Sea_Venom#SNCASE_Aquilon

    So it’s not exactly unprecedented, although it was a vastly different time…

    in reply to: UK considers Rafale and F-18 as 'interim aircraft' #2346275
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    Just for the record… to check out what were the views on the same subject a couple of years ago…

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=97746

    in reply to: T-50, M-346 and Yak-130 advance trainers future prospect? #2358497
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    So, appearently this means that the Cremlin vouches in favour of Assad in action and not just words.

    in reply to: Rise of the Sea Gripen #2027249
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    Problems aside how does the capabilities of these two a/c match up?

    Who knows? None is operational, and maybe none will be.

    in reply to: T-50, M-346 and Yak-130 advance trainers future prospect? #2364587
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    Waaaaht. So they are buying another 6 expensive, large, multirole fighters, and are not even getting A2A packaged for them OR the existing fleet?!?

    Yes, governments do that. Buying two different things in two different contests means twice the negotiations, twice the bribes.
    Our government has done it so many times it makes no impression any more.

    in reply to: Top Gun -The Movie Versus Reality #2365717
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    …and Top Gun wasn’t?! 🙂

    No, it wasn’t; I can tell of a few “funny” scenes, true, but certainly not to the extent of Iron Eagle, which was a sum of funny scenes by itself…

    There’s nothing like finding out later in life that your childhood memories of a ‘great’ movie was nothing more than a glorified advert for the US Navy and some soft-porn gay fantasy for the producers of the film!

    The same can be told for many films to a certain extent, more or less. But at the end of the day, what matters most for aviation fans is not the pretexts, but the visual result as a movie which can be pleasantly watched again and again. Iron Eagle doesn’t have that quality.

    in reply to: Top Gun -The Movie Versus Reality #2366130
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    Iron Eagle was fun, if nothing else.

    Agreed, it was a good comedy. 😀

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368235
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    A few pics of the J-10…

    J-10 static display:

    http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8311/j10sd.th.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/4089/15458777200904300928522.th.jpg http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5761/w020101116546975640126.th.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9625/2788390c5ed0d2391342f5.th.jpg http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1706/img260605234.th.jpg

    A rare view of the inboard dual rack holding two PL-12s. Here in static display.

    http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3628/w020101116547050090002.th.jpg

    Here the full a2a load:

    http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/6709/dic9xrh3.th.jpg

    A close-up on the PL-12:

    http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4080/j10sd101.th.jpg

    A diagram showing weapon stations:

    http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/4236/j10fighterweaponpayload.th.jpg

    An interesting caption on the PL-9 missile:

    http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3382/w020101116547057545202.th.jpg

    A mixed load:

    http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4266/j10fighterbombmissilefu.th.jpg

    With rocket pods:

    http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/7237/20070810db2eebeb9c68c58.th.jpg

    Close up on the pods and the rockets:

    http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/3659/w020101116547003498950.th.jpg http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2214/w020101116546982530749.th.jpg

    I don’t remember where I got them. Chinese net mostly.

    in reply to: Non american airplanes in US service #2368263
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    During the nineties, the US bought all nuclear capable MiG-29s of the moldovan air force.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Moldovan_MiG-29B_trainer_on_C-17_Globemaster_III.jpg/800px-Moldovan_MiG-29B_trainer_on_C-17_Globemaster_III.jpg

    This article claims they were to be flown for test purposes. Any updates as to what happens? Pics in USAF insignia?

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/moldavia-sells-mig-29-fulcrums-to-usa-29179/

    in reply to: Non american airplanes in US service #2368319
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    Being used for spares = in service? Interesting.

    The only scenario that such a thing could possibly happen, is if they were to be used as “frankenstein” platforms, such as in this case:

    http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-56517.aspx

    In which case however, the Swiss F-5Es were already american designed and built, so they they don’t qualify for this thread :p:D

    in reply to: Non american airplanes in US service #2368336
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    I’m serious. Most aircraft are so international nowadays that putting a flag on one is tricky:

    Concept?
    Prime contractor location?
    Biggest workshare?

    I see your point, I was just wondering how many foreign makers managed to infiltrate the american market, taking into account the multitude of domestic aviation industries as well as the traditionally strong protectionism against imports, especially in areas of national security.

    Take the VH-71 example, there was a campaign against the AW designwinning the VH-71 contract because it was a foreign aircraft, and that a home-grown Boeing should carry the President. But IIRC LM/AW demonstrated that there was a bigger US workshare in their contract than the Boeing alternative.

    I believe this was the case with the KC-30 too. But I think that’s not the point, at the end of the day the VH-71 was a foreign design basically built in US under license, regardless of the workshare. China has been building foreign aviation designs etc for ages under license or not, that does not make them chinese. For instance Z-8 and Z-9 helicopters’s (Super Frelon and Dauphins respectively) workshare is almost entirely chinese. Does this make them chinese designs? No, just chinese copies. Same here, would VH-71 be an american design?

    But I realise that not everyone needs to share the same view, so like I said all input is welcome.If you feel an example is relevant post it, if not again post it including any doubts or reservations you may have.

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