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  • in reply to: Non american airplanes in US service #2368354
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    Depends on your definition

    Does the harrier count?

    All input is welcome :p

    in reply to: Top Gun -The Movie Versus Reality #2368399
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    The Final Countdown (1980)

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080736/

    Since this is a Top Gun thread, how about a small mix?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ZTglNiiMo

    When I first saw this, I literally ROFLed :D:D:D:D

    PS this is the real scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3XNEWtJF0o

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368427
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    then its about 2000kgs to spare for racks and other things before hitting max takeoff weight with full internal fuel. .
    16500-(7100+3500+4000)~2000kgs
    i have no idea of the runway required, but it´s not the standard 800m gripen strip (550m gripen C takeoff with AoA).

    Gripen lifts alot of its size, reliable or not, this you must ask the AFs using it, and i dont believe we see this in real life maybe not even flight tested, not even on bigger fighters like EF or Rafale, due to its rare in its usability. But for flexibiliy its doable, and i know those racks is being integrated.

    This thread is academic either way, most pics here are not real life pics.

    And for drag, small diameter bombs is made for exactly that reason, lowering drag. So instead of lowering drag, this config uprating the capacity.

    Yes, an SDB has much less drag than a legacy bomb of equal size, such as Mk series. However, in the pic there is no one to one comparison, but rather four to one. So, arguably four SDBs have more drag than one Mk bomb.

    I don’t think that those were SDBs on the Gripen, no wiglets and more than 4 to a launcher (unless this is a new Saab bomb/rack).

    True, they don’t look like SDBs, but something in the same class definately.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368442
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    no hay problema 😉
    Small diamater bombs are just that.

    By my count it’s 4,000 kgs just for the bombs, not counting the racks themselves. Also it’s not just a matter of weight but also drag. Even if it does manage to get airborne, it wouldn’t get to far and also, the potential for maneuvering would be minimised to just take off-fly-land. And finally, all this weight+drag would significantly reduce the lifespan of the wing.

    It is too small a fighter to carry reliably all this load.

    But for longer trips or loitering it would probably be sensible to have a tanker nearby or switch one or two stations for fuel.

    I think in such cases it would make more sense to get it airborne with part of the internal fuel only, just for take off and then refuel it.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368447
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    this is a marketing slide for cruch the the prejudice of gripens loadout.

    the additional fuel of the NG will be a good thing for such a loadout thats for sure. this makes it have more fuel than a /C/D gripen with one EFT, this comes with NG better aerodynamics and better bodylift.
    But for longer trips or loitering it would probably be sensible to have a tanker nearby or switch one or to stations for fuel.

    So, you are implying that it will actually manage to take off?
    I’m impressed :diablo:

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2368453
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    Here is a couple of the Gripen NG

    http://i619.photobucket.com/albums/tt271/SpudmanWP/Misc/Gripen_NG5B25D.jpg

    Oops. they forgot installing a few racks on the canards, too. :rolleyes:

    I wonder how far it will go with all this weight and drag. Not too far I would presume.

    in reply to: New Saudi F-15s #2368570
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    Brain f@rt moment but wasn’t the Saudi Tornado upgrade done with the Thales Damocles pod due to them not being able to use Litening 3 or Sniper? Just interesting considering Sniper is part of this F-15 contract.

    When the saudis were considering buying the strike version of the eagle, Israel was receiving its own or had received them all, not really sure. They objected the deal all along, but to no avail. But at least they managed to lobby against and eventually stop any export of items more advanced than their own. The original targeting pod the saudis could get was codenamed Sharpshooter, and was vastly inaccurate in comparison with the LANTIRN the F-15Is would get.

    USAF bought F-15Es until 2000 or 2001. That’s one decade, not two.

    Technically it’s a different thing; the F-22 has no bomber version, if it did the F-15E’s production would had stopped even earlier. F-22s are not successors to the F-15Es, even though they have some bombing abilities (but are not F/A-22s).

    in reply to: New Saudi F-15s #2368681
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    I think you’ve misunderstood. His point is that F-22 production has ended before the production of its predecessor. That didn’t happen for any variant of F-15, the B-2, or the F-117. It’s a very rare thing.

    If you talk only in terms of statistical rarity yes, it’s impressively rare. On the other hand, as far as USAF was concerned, the production of the Eagle stopped exactly when it should stop, roughly two decades before the production of the Raptor. After that, it was only a matter of sales tactics abroad.

    On another level, these two planes are built by different companies, so in addition to the above, there is no internal competition. For comparison, the F-16 ‘s production will stop when the F-35 gets operational because Lockheed will want to sell F-35s.
    If however the F-16 was built by Boeing, they would continue market it abroad as a direct competitor to the F-35, just like they do now with the Super Hornet. This would equally be a rare thing, the production of the predecessor continueing, even though the production of the successor has begun.

    in reply to: New Saudi F-15s #2368721
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    No comparison?

    You are aware that this a first in seventy years?
    The P-51D didnt outproduce the F-86, who didnt outproduce the century fighters line, who didnt outproduce the F-4 Phantom, who didnt outproduce the F-15 Eagle…
    If you said that by reason of political interference (no exports policy by example, thats a first for the primary USAF air defence fighter since the creation of the USAF) the Raptor production line was curtailed, that would be correct, but “not comparable”? On that you are wrong, a comparison with with its predecessors its eminently sensible.

    When the USAF felt didn’t need any more F-15s, they stopped the orders. When they felt they didn’t need any more F-22s, they stopped the orders.

    It’s the same thing, really.

    The fact that the one was available for export while the other one not, makes the whole difference in terms of production duration. If they had orders for the F-22 and they were willing to sell it, the F-15 line would had closed down years ago. It doesn’t have to do with the aircrafts per se, or the production line per se.

    By the same logic, the fact that the latest export F-16s are more advanced than USAF’s own, is totally incomprehensible, let alone ironic.

    The obvious question his why in the hell wasnt the Raptor allowed to be exported to Japan and South Korea, two allied countries who expressely asked for it? Because of security issues? If thats the answer then is a lousy one…

    We may never really know for sure; fact is that for the next decades Lockheed will be busy producing F-35s and supporting F-22s, while Boeing will be busy producing F-15s, marketing F-18s and supporting both of them.

    Somehow it looks like everyone’s happy. Now consider the opposite, the F-22 being available for export… :p

    in reply to: New Saudi F-15s #2368725
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    Its ironic that the production line of the “ATF” (program for the sucessor of the Eagle, AKA F-22 Raptor) just closed a few days ago.

    So did the production line for the F-15C/D for the US Air Force a few decades ago. So did the production line for other aircraft never exported outside the US such as the B-2, F-117 etc. No comparison really.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2301449
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    Really when did it do that, thought there is still along way to go in testing before getting round to carrying a full weapons load let alone releasing them

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1832212&postcount=15

    Personally I think it is and will remain in the sphere of extreme theory.

    in reply to: Impressive Weapons Load 2 (again) #2301663
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    Great picture of a loaded-out Eagle! But what weapons are these??

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    Small diameter bombs.
    I wonder if the other racks on the CFTs which are now empty can be used too. In terms of total weight I suppose they could, since each SDB is roughly 125 kgs, so x20 makes only 2,5 tons.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2303494
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    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2303496
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    Spying on another country is all part of the game. Dropping bombs on another country is a different matter.

    The destruction would not need to be by dropping bombs, the modified blackhawk in the bin Laden assasination was destroyed by planting explosives on it.
    I suspect it would not be the first time foreign agents infiltrate Iran to place explosives:

    “There have been several unexplained explosions in Iran so far this year at factories and military sites, fuelling rumours of foreign intelligence involvement designed to disrupt Iran’s nuclear programme.

    At a minimum, such an attack would have given Iran the chance to go to the UN to argue that the incident showed it really did need the S-300 systems it was denied in 2010.

    Such a move by Iran would be futile; US practically rule the UN, so it would not only have value in terms of internal consumption/propaganda in order to appear as the victims.

    in reply to: Iran army shot down of a United States Drone plane RQ-170 #2306163
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    If we here of a new contract awarded in the next few months to some US company for the design, development, testing and implementaion of some new self-destruct ability for UAVs personally I won’t be too surprised.

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