Why the hell, China have to release always pixels instead of photos?? Better delay the pictures and/or don’t release at all if you don’t have the gutsto publish good quality/decent photos.
And other people must be having lots of spare time to stare at these pixels and kill their time to prove subject experts 🙁
well to be fair, this thread is generally dead. it only comes alive when some major new grainy photos come out. then you get your wide ranging analysis (mostly wishful thinking from one side, and then bashing from another side). then back to quiet.
only Deino and Quantum contributes on a consistent basis
do we have a measurement of those doors ? I thought they looked proportionally small to be honest
eyeball analysis suggests they’re probably about the same as the f-22’s bays. maybe a little bit wider?
it just looks proportionally smaller since the J-20 is much longer than the F-22
Haavarla, can you really not differentiate between the government ministers and the Armed Forces? There have been a half dozen articles posted from RCAF officers saying the same thing “urgent replacement not needed”, you post a single article with the procurement minister claiming that they are needed and think that supports your point?
Really, look back on argument. Read what everyone has been saying all along. Realize that you had no idea what you were talking about from the start, then pull your head gently out of your rear.
don’t mind harvey. he just really hates the f-35 and wishes Russia would just annex Norway already. if Canada chose the Su-35, he wouldn’t bothering you guys.
The J-20 is not smaller than the Pak Fa.
J 20 Empty weight: 19,391 kg (42,750 lb)
Pak Fa Empty weight: 18,000 kg (39,680 lb)
Flanker Empty weight: 18,000 kg (39,680 lb)
welcome back from suspension. I bet you couldn’t wait to go after your friend Byoin.
I wonder if when starfish will come back <3
Lol, look at these glass half full, half empty comments
Wow.. I am starting to understand the “draggy” thing regd. the F-35, this bird is a monster..
Suddenly the F-35 doesn’t look so draggy.
That according to Wikipedia
However, you cannot get more structure strength, more avionics (and cooling too in case of AESA radar) , 1.5 time more fuel, strengthen pylons, extra missiles warning system. And still have the same weight.There are many conflicting information about this, from what i understand Mig-35 get bigger slightly
If i was wrong and Mig-35 does not get bigger, it only get heavier then the changes in aerodynamic would be similar to the change from F-16A to F-16E or F-15C to F-15E. More lift loading and same CL, so again i dont see how it should be able to fly higher or perform ITR better than Mig-29A
that’s the old mig-35.i’m sure they wanted to build that but had no money for further research and just settled on using the mig-29m2 for the basis.
@Msphere, graryA, lolek, mig
hm, would like to see a JSR vs byoin debate
recently the Indian auditors criticized the availability rate and reliability of the mig-29ks.
how about on the Russian side? any news on the success of the 29k in operation besides the recent crash?
South Africa was offered Mirage 2000 but bought Gripen. Other countries which had the chance of buying Mirage 2000 include –
Czech Republic – Gripen
Hungary – Gripen
Morocco – F-16
Poland – F-16
Finland – F-18
Switzerland – F-18
Spain – F-18
Malaysia – F-18
Australia – F-18
i’m quite convinced now
Pakistan to join with Turkey in developing TFX.
a bit telling that they chose to work with Turkey on a plane that may likely never materialize
over
the JF-31 which is actually built.
France wouldn’t have liked to use and integrate nuclear weapon on F-18.
you guys have the Mirage 2000N
besides, knowing how well Dassault builds planes, their 5th gen would probably be carrier capable, nuclear weapon capable, and look good to boot. would’ve flown by now.
Dassault and France has better resources than China, Turkey and S.Korea
I also don’t think the French needed a carrier capable aircraft, they could have and almost did buy F/A-18s (see above link). They already operate a multi fighter fleet, it would have mattered little to introduce the F/A-18 into the mix, especially given the capability the Hornet would have provided from day one.
good point. Me and many of the other non-French posters agreed that France could’ve skipped over the Rafale (unlike RAF, Germany, Italy.. the French already made a 4th gen aircraft in the M2K), continue producing the M2K which is far more popular for export, and focus on a light-medium 5th gen follow up.. but of course some guys were like “non non non c’est terrible, we can’t do the 5th gen! 5th gen is useless anyways”
The cheapest would be to follow the lead of New Zealand and Ireland and admit they don’t need fast jets. It pretty much what has been done with the Navy by retiring ships/subs without replacement.
how will they intercept all those Russian aircraft?
Does anybody have any details on the ACF project that the French Air Force originally wanted instead of the eventual Mirage 2000? Like the Mirage F1 the Mirage 2000 seem to have come into existence through the failure of the French Air Force’s original plans.
I think France made a mistake in passing over the Mirage 4000 but I don’t see the Rafale as a mistake. As for a French 5th generation fighter I don’t think the money exists for it unless their government were to invest a lot more in defense.
if capability was the focus, then out of the two options, I think skipping over the M2000 for the Rafale would be the best. the F1s were capable enough to last until the late 90s when the Rafales were being delivered. the F-8s were still flying when the Rafales were delivered so no real changes in schedule. Actually with out the M2000, the development of the Rafale would probably be much more expedited. Perhaps by a 3-4 years. Meaning CdG, Foch, whatever had their full Rafales by 20000
but for export, it is clear. the close entry date of F.1, M2K, and Rafale, and overlapping capabilities is why French exports were never as great as Mirage 3 days. I don’t expect them to reach that much even had they removed one generation, but M2K was more in demand for export and suited more foreign air forces needs, and especially budget, than Rafale. continued production and upgrades of the M2K all the way to today (doesnt exist since it shifted to Rafale), would likely mean more exports for M2K.
its rival would be Gripen. Do you think a late model, still produced, M2K is more interesting than the Gripen for customers?
I wonder if the mirage 2000 could have been a common AdlA-Aeronavale program. The plane could have been like a mirage 2000 with a wing similar to the rafale’s, the canards could have been fixed for the first variants and could have been activated later. It might have been possible to do that, hard to say.
The carriers wouldn’t have had such outdated plane for so long had they done that.
They could have started to work on a stealth plane in the early 90’s for an operational entry in 2015 or so. I think it would have been a better deal than investing so much in a non stealth plane.
yes that’s what several of us been saying.
the only ones who disagree are the usual like Nicolas who thinks everything France/Dassault has done is alright and France doesn’t need a 5th gen, making 2 fourth gen is alright, lost M2k sales and limited Rafale ones were due to fate.