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  • in reply to: PLAN News Thread #4 #2010188
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    so today, news reports say China did live drills off the coast of South Korea which include live firing tests from its carrier aircraft. in protest to Trump.

    anyone know what kind of loads the su-33s were using?

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2133421
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    Red Sword 2016 line-up:

    Lot of rumors flying around regarding the exercise. While PLAAF is very happy with the J-20, they’ve got a rude shock how ineffective J-10 + J-11 + AWACS combo were. If specific engagements involving the J-20 were against the the KJ-2000 and J-10 version was the J-10B/C then that is very worrisome. Barring the J-20, that is pretty much the best the PLAAF has and it had not taken the the 2x J-20 too long to finish them-off.

    could you give more background about this exercise and what happened?

    in reply to: Military Aviation News #2133672
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    US grounds Osprey fleet in Japan after aircraft crashes off Okinawa

    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/33aacdb4ee96b94d46cea454f6e60f047bd60436/53_0_3325_1995/master/3325.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&

    another Osprey incident today, belly landing!

    i thought they are supposed to be grounded

    http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/AJ201612150017.html

    in reply to: Its official: F-35 can not supercruise #2133944
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    Yes, and?
    In the sense, where is really the new there?
    The fact that F-35 is actually the slowest of all fighters actually in production, bar maybe the JF-17, is something that would have been clear from the beginning.
    So why you have discovered it only now and decided to dedicate it a thread?

    yep nothing new. most of us viewed it as an a2g aircraft with good but secondary a2a. not the other way around.

    in reply to: Why the love for the Super Crusader? (XF8U-3 Crusader III) #2133953
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    I agree, but remember looks can be deceiving…The Crusader’s baby brother, the A-7, seemed to carry a lot.
    (Not to mention the Starfighter in NATO service).

    I see there is a new book on the type, it might answer your question.

    good idea.
    so looking at hardpoints

    A-7:
    6 hard points on the wing. All 6 seem to be wet points, and also able to carry large loads
    2 hard points on the fueselage (side) for sidewinders

    F-8:
    4 hard points on the wing. 2 seem to be wet
    4 hard points on the fueselage for sidewinders

    XF8U:
    based on models
    4 hard points on the wing
    4 on the fueselage

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    I told you guys before.. Bacon here loves drama. All sorts of X vs Y threads, which really is Nation X vs Nation y nonsens. Not very helpful.

    Over at Defencetalk.com, the rules dictates no such threads. I sort of miss those rules here..

    a bit more productive than bashing every type of US aircraft, right haarvey πŸ˜‰

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    A good number of threads you make are just trying to flame and bring out subjective opinions of others, seemingly to create arguments from that. You either lack maturity or you’re just trying to create tension and drama.

    nope. aside from you, and oblig, going about that holier than thou attitude, everyone here is not arguing about anything.
    ironic that the guy complaining about drama, is the one creating drama.

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    This is nothing but a flame thread. Seriously how is this a productive topic at all? It’s just asking for mudslinging to happen.

    everyone is posting normally except you.
    its fine since no names are being mentioned.

    in reply to: Aviation cruisers (i.e. Kiev Class), yay or nay? #2010255
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    Aviation cruisers made sense – somewhat – for naval strategy and operational concept Soviet Navy had. It would have been pointless for Soviets to counter US carrier hegemony with carrier force of their own, instead they built an asymmetric, essentially defensive concept of heavy, long-range antiship missiles to counter US carriers long range striking power. Since those missiles were bulky, they needed large ships to carry them and when you have large warships around, it is not a bad idea to have some of them carry aircraft for defence, AEW and ASW duties. However, the main combat a/c – Yak-38 – was disappointing and AEW was limited to relatively weak helicopters of the era. And of course the ships themselves weren’t (and aren’t) so great, with serious propulsion issues.

    Nowadays with miniaturization of technology there is less need for huge cruisers carrying gigantanormous missiles around. As we have seen, a corvette-sized vessel can carry warload of supersonic AShM’s nearly as powerful as those Bazalts and Granits of old. So that’s one raison d’Γͺtre for those ships gone. Tactically, surface combatant and aircraft carrier need to be treated differently and it is a conundrum for commander of a squadron if one of his ships combines both roles. I don’t see any meaningful role for an ‘aviation cruiser’ in todays environment. It is better to build a dedicated carrier and put your missiles on combatants and escorts. Open question is, whether there is place for ‘command cruiser’ type combatant, which has size & height for very powerful AEW and AAW radars, or whether it is better to have those capabilities on carrier too, if you have one.

    thanks for the good explanation of you two.
    it would seem the Soviet and RF did the right thing not to continue the Yak-141 (limitations back then, and concept of its intended carrier no longer viable today).
    sad though, really liked the design.

    in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2135625
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    Size anyone? πŸ˜‰

    that depends
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Myanmar_Air_Force_Shaanxi_Y-8_MRD.jpg/300px-Myanmar_Air_Force_Shaanxi_Y-8_MRD.jpg

    we’d be using the y-8 for comparison, and does the wikipedia numbers on length go from nose to the end of the bay door or the nose to the little stub behind the tail?

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    Can the MiG-29K & Su-33 really lift those loads off a carrier?

    I’d like to know what loads they can each lift off a carrier.

    good point, what are the typical mig-29k loads for the kuznetsov in Syria?

    also wasn’t the fighters supposed to be for fleet defense anyways while the cruisers and destroyers would use their missiles to attack ground targets

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    The wing area is cited to be 31.7 m2, so with maximum vertical take off weight of 15800kg it would be something like ~500 kg/m2. Even if we consider completely clean configuration with 50% fuel (so 11650kg +2200kg it is still around 440 kg/m2. As for the Harrier comparison, well, I guess we will never know for sure. The agility of Yak-41M was reportedly very good, with very effective high-lift devices and high TWR (R-79 is usually rated at 15500kG). While, as I said, I would not expect it to be on the Fulcrum/Flanker level (although I think that I saw such claims somewhere in either book by P. Butowski or Y.Gordon) it seem probable to me that it would outperform much older Harrier design. In fact I found such quote in the Y. Gordon book on Soviet jump jets: “The tests showed that wit a full ordnance load the Yak-41M clearly outperformed the Harrier throughout the altitude envelope; in clean configuration (without external stores) there was no clear-cut winner, each of the aircraft having an advantage in this or that flight mode”. If it’s any indication, the Yak-41M still holds 12 world records in its class, most of them taken from Harrier (the aircraft was not specially prepared for the record flights).

    ok, i’m pretty satisfied with this answer. 10q to you, the guy above and quantom

    in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2137677
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    Well, pilot is ok at least. However, seriously, this is a little bit embarrassing. Without training this is what you get I guess. And cables must be acquired from a different source from now on. lol…

    and the question now becomes..
    Will the PLAN have the same problems.
    After all its using more or less the same ship and the PLAN having even LESS carrier air op experience

    in reply to: Indian Navy news thread #2010363
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    Insistent rumours here (i repeat, rumours) of IN negociating with DA to replace in a first step coastal Sqds of Mig 29 with Rafale and then placing them on IAC1/2

    I think they should’ve never got the 29ks and go for the rafale Ms in the first place.

    in reply to: Indian Navy news thread #2010374
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    so the other thread said IN doesnt want the Naval Tejas

    everyone was saying the IAF had a grudge against HAL and were slowly dragging out the Tejas procurement
    but here comes the IN effectively ending it

    not too many options for a stobar. just MiG-29K or F-35B?

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