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October 11, 2016 at 7:09 am in reply to: Chinese air power thread 18 #2201848

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October 11, 2016 at 7:04 am in reply to: Iran: J-10 or MiG-29? #2201854

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Iran thinks it as the big guy in the region so they will go with the appropriate fighter which is Su-30. I can bet on it. I do not think they will order another fighter.

By the way, the notion that Iran can build a J-10 is hilarious. No offence..:highly_amused::highly_amused:

either Madrat is severely underestimating the J-10, or overestimating the F-5

October 11, 2016 at 7:02 am in reply to: would Dassault be more successful iif it kept with Mirage 2000 instead of Rafale? #2201856

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Greeks kept the F1s. In interceptor service until 2003 !

it is like Msphere said, lots of places kept the F1s in service for a long time, but they were used in other roles.

October 11, 2016 at 6:48 am in reply to: Rafale and J-10, which was more successful? #2201863

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Exports:
Rafale – 80 (further orders quite possible)
J-10 –

Doemstic:
Rafale – >150 (France land area 643,801 km²)
J-10 – ~400 (China land area 9.597 million km²)

China is even bigger with maritime borders. Rafale has much higher density considering the size of its nation. So the Rafale is the far more successful per km². It also has carrier capable version which gives it more marketing opportunities unlike the J-10.

that is an interesting way to look at it, via per successful per km2.

what about range? Rafale’s range is well known, on 3 drop tanks while carrying stores, it can out range the Su-30MKI
J-10 not so well known.

October 10, 2016 at 5:07 pm in reply to: Rafale and J-10, which was more successful? #2202080

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What is this obsession with the rafale ? Why Y-20 starts another rafale thread again ?

i’ve only made two.
not my fault the rafale is such a hot topic for a hot aircraft.

October 10, 2016 at 5:06 pm in reply to: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria #2202084

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Was and IS and probably WILL. 20 F-15 is a huge difference, F-22 even more so. However, I am not sure US wants to send their most cutting edge fighter to Turkey.

that is a good question. has the f-22 ever been stationed in Icirlik?

October 10, 2016 at 5:04 pm in reply to: Iran: J-10 or MiG-29? #2202087

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Syria is using MIG-29/Su-24. I am sure Iranian will help Syrian airforce with manpower and maintainance. so that interoperability is important.
I think Russia should sell off all older its Su-24, Su-25 and MIG-29. There is still plenty of money on upgrades and supplying missiles/bombs. these used planes will keep the market depressed for fighters like J-10/JF-17 whose load carrying capacity is not much and not used by many countries.

that is actually not a bad idea. dump all the legacy su’s and migs to Iran.
strengthen the Russia-Shiite alliance against Sunnis

October 10, 2016 at 5:03 pm in reply to: Rafale and J-10, which was more successful? #2202090

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2nd.
And that the Rafale guys in here are notorious in posting on every singel(identical) threads that contains their jet.

there is nothing wrong with the “Rafale” guys being passionate about the Rafale. It just makes them saucy.
just like there’s nothing wrong about you being so passionate about anything Russian, even though you’re norwegian.

October 10, 2016 at 3:27 pm in reply to: Rafale and J-10, which was more successful? #2202105

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j-10 looks like it might be a better fighter but I have huge doubts on its multi role capability

the Chinese may not focus much on bombing, but don’t count them out on developing its anti shipping capabilities since they want to fight Filipinos.

France however, does a lot of actual bombing so the Rafale is expected to do well

October 10, 2016 at 2:30 pm in reply to: would Dassault be more successful iif it kept with Mirage 2000 instead of Rafale? #2202128

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Nah.. The F1 entered service in two versions – the monkey radar-less F1A for attack roles (South Africa, Libya) and F1C as a pure all-weather air defense interceptor. We’re talking about 1973 when European BVR was still pretty much non-existing and the F1Cs with Matra R.530 and later Super 530F were one of its pioneers.

they were pretty awesome in 1973, I agree.
but the mirage 2000’s first flight was already in 1978.

most of the wars mirage f.1 would be in were from 1980s to the 2000s.
A2G era baby.

its no shame. even the F-4 went from A2A to A2G and we all think the F-4 was a good air to air fighter for its time.
its just the F.1 had a very small time in that area.

October 10, 2016 at 2:03 pm in reply to: If you had to choose between Rafale or F-35 #2202154

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Snails are excellent with garlic butter..

i can see why his sudden urge to defend british aviation industry.

October 10, 2016 at 2:02 pm in reply to: would Dassault be more successful iif it kept with Mirage 2000 instead of Rafale? #2202155

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here we have some F.1s coming home from a2g work and being escorted by f-16s.
circa gulf war

different war, F.1s doing what it does best. bombing the enemy

October 10, 2016 at 1:47 pm in reply to: would Dassault be more successful iif it kept with Mirage 2000 instead of Rafale? #2202181

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Cooper’s info on Iraq is utterly lopsided.. In other words, BS.. Talk to sheytan regd. total loss of F1EQs, his numbers will be much more credible..

why do you think cooper is BS/not credible?

October 10, 2016 at 1:46 pm in reply to: If you had to choose between Rafale or F-35 #2202185

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As an innocent bystander I’d love to make a comparison of French and British cousine for you guys, but, honestly.. I am not aware of Britain having any cousine, at all.. 🙂

snails vs mad cow pie.
not sure which I’d choose.

October 10, 2016 at 12:42 pm in reply to: would Dassault be more successful iif it kept with Mirage 2000 instead of Rafale? #2202213

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Where the heel did I insist on the F-1 been «*so lethal*» ? I just pointed out that it’s one of the few that killed a mighty Tomcat (are there others, dunno…).
33 was lost, maybe then, so what… all other fighters had problem with the F-14.
You are the one insisting the F-1 was moved to a2g «*within few years*», and you can’t even name the air forces that did it…
The point is not that the F-1 was «already reaching obsolecense as a fighter» when it came out. the point is that the F-16 made everything reaching obsolecense technically very quick. hence the M2k, it’s that one that came too late, not the F-1.
But the F-1 was used for quite some time as a fighter, see Grece, France, Spain…

don’t blame me about the Mirage F.1’s combat record. go talk to ACIG and Tom Cooper.
Don’t shoot the messenger.

Secondly, and I guess more fundamentally, France, as a key part of NATO, is expected to take part in activities alongside with the US.
And in those cases, it is assured that the US will be the one providing air superiority. by the time the French arrive, the US is expecting more contributions to air to ground.
Hence why more development of A2G capabilities and roles. i.e. F1 going to A2G, developing M2K to do more A2G.. even the Rafale is more omni-role than Typhoon because they expected it to do more A2G.

Don’t laugh..but France is probably second to the US in A2G. they are very good at it and very capable. Lots of war time experience.
I don’t know why you look down on france’s excellent advancements in A2G and their focus on it.
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