Y-20 Bacon. Frankly speaking though, neither China nor Japan at the time really cared about a bunch of small rocks, especially since the UN’s guidelines on Sea Laws didn’t exist then, so there wasn’t much political interest in clarifying whether a bunch of small islands really mattered to anyone.
so you also think China and Japan are full of BS on this. not bad not bad at all.
Y-20 BaconNew painting on what is claimed to be 2003.
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welcome to last week radish.
Y-20 BaconWhoa, if you actually read my following posts, I actually did google it and asked why SOFA was relevant because it doesn’t back up your claims about the US controlling the islands and that they haven’t been “returned” to Japan.
From what I’ve read, the US does indeed rent one of the islands for bombing practice (although I’ve not uncovered how extensively that right is used) and certainly not “all” the islands as you suggested like they retain absolute control. Whether you interpret that as the US willing to side with Japan to retain one of those islands for target practice is another matter. But the US don’t own the islands. That doesn’t preclude US desire to side with Japan against china’s claims, but the islands aren’t US controlled, period.Btw, if you google “SOFA” it comes up with page after page of furniture chains.
well of course you google sofa you get furniture. That’s why you add another word to make it more useful.
like “sofa senkaku”. If you did that you’d actually get lots of interesting links, including one from the Japanese ministry of foreign affairs, links that the US military controls some of the islands, as well as some other tidbits I’m sure you would ache to read.. such as Japan’s proof on PRC/ROC’s weak claims, etc (thats for another discussion).
Of course you won’t know that because many of the posters here follow the PRC narrative, which is why you don’t know who controls the islands or the history since the PRC never ever fully controlled it in its history (China claims many things, but actually controlling it and administering it is another).
Y-20 BaconIn the case of engine for AMCA (& also for Tejas MK2, if it can be done… as the deal for F414 have not yet been closed)… choose the Klimov route than the “free” sanction, unreliable and pocket ripping route.
True, tere is no official publicity on the development and is no where in sight but we can see case in the form of AESA radars from Russia. What we now see is that NIIR Phazatron have more than one module option for their Zhuk-AE radars and NIIP is also progressing their AESA development. Likewise, just don’t sideline this opportunity and check out the possibility of co-sharing the finance & technology as well as the risk.
This article from May 2007 says Klimov started the development of the 5th Gen engine in 2006. If funding for this 5th Gen engine was not in priority list till now (which is likely), then the recent news of LMFS will give us a hint that the Russsian Govt funding is going to come in for the project in the future.
This new engine is likely to be based on the RD-33MK (which is a new engine anyway) but with a new 5th Gen core with thrust upto 12t. If they can manage to keep the dry weight at the current 1055Kg, then even better.
Cost of new engine is hard to speculate. But one thing is clear it will be considerably cheaper than the Western engines.
they should aim for a single engined variant using the same engine as pak-fa
Y-20 BaconWell PAF certainly is a very well respected air force and interacts with some of the very best out there, but it still has some critical areas that need work on. Funds are a major stumbling bloke
For a future force of JF-17/FC-20/F-16s, their most advanced trainer is the K-8. Although good for maybe basic and the lower end of advanced training, this does not provide the LIFT that they require to help train modern fighter pilots and take precious hours off the OCUs. The RAF are currently doing this very well with their Hawk Mk128 set up, which is already easing the burden of the Typhoon OCU and having pilots spend more time on cheaper Hawk hours.
Maybe a buy of T-50 or a JF-17 two seater LIFT variant can solve this.In terms of ADGE, they have purchased large amounts of SPADA 2000, and linking these up with their TPS-77s and Eriieyes should give them a very decent network if they can get country wide coverage. They still require a very high altitude SAM, a glaring deficiency.
In terms of ISR and EW, they recently recieved 3 King Airs and have 3 Falcon 20s. I dont know what they have packaged in these, but consideirng the vast array of radars and SAMs to the east, I would say SEAD and EW maybe an area they need more investment in, MAR-1s are certainly a step in the right direction.
In terms of a high end training envoironment, and considering the state and size of their enemy, I would say this is vital. Although they are a regular at Anatolian Eagle and the odd Red Flag, they need their own set up. Perhaps something similar to RAF Sadeadam combined with Konya. Then maybe invite UAE Mirage 2000-9s, Chinese SU-30s and Iranian/Azeri MIG-29s for some DACT in order to keep the front line units familiar with what they face in combat ACM wise.
Again, they seem to have made a step in the right direction here with purchasing a ACMI range kit from Turkey.Air to air refullers. 4 IL-78s are simply not enough, with more funds buying 4 more should not present a challenge, then maybe a few retired KC-135s for the F-16s, say 8 IL-78s and 4 KC-135s. That will give you say 6-7 in the air for any wartime emergency. Enough for quite a few strike packages of FC-20s and F-16s.
Networking, networking, networking! I’m not talking about creating a Linkedin page either! The array of Chinese V US/Euro systems means a highly integrated network centric force is vital. The Chinese AEW and Erieyes need to talk to every fighter and provide targeting info to P-3Cs, navy ships and SAMS.
I think the PAF are working on a unique system that enables all these systems to communicate via ground stations. If this is the case this would solve this particular issue.Right, I need tea!
if Pakistan bought the T-50, it would be a kick in the nuts for the JF-17 program.
Technically, from a industrial standpoint, it would be more ideal for them to pursue a two seat JF-17 variant. An official two seat model exists.
but whether it will really happen is questionable.
China sure as hell don’t need it. They don’t even operate the single seater, and trainer needs are met with FTC-200 or that L-15.
does Pakistan realistically have the resources to do it themselves?
Y-20 Baconits a new one for sure, not fully painted yet, the lower fuselage is also white instead of light blue as on previous Su35. That gold colored circle where the 07 is that some new sensor? How much is the VVS paying for each Su35,the export price is around $70 million but the domestic price should be a bit less?
get your monitor re-calibrated, that’s the same light blue.
Y-20 Baconthis is what I said in June and still stands today just switch F-1M for what ever you want
As I have said before Argentina lost the best chance they had in 82 by just extending the runway at Stanley to take the Mirage 3’s and Etendard’s it would have forced the British fleet to fight closer to the threat and they might of got a carrier
When you look at Argentina’s Military aviation all three services are flying too many different types and all do the same things like transport and Training they really need to make some simple changes that will save money and improve training and Tasking like
All basic flying training to be carried out at one school for all three services on one Type
Fast Jet Air force and Navy to train at the same school on Tucano and Pampa
All helicopter pilots to train at one school on the MD500 and bell 212 twin Huey
All multi-engine training to be carried out on the Twin Otters as they already have 10 of them
All fix wing transport to be carried out by the Air force with the exception of 5 C-212’s for the Army buy 8 C-295M’s for the air force and retire the F27 & F28 fleets
All transport helicopters to be operated by the Army 20 Huey 2’s and 15 Mil-17’s with the ramp plus two Helicopters for VIP work
All maritime patrol and SAR to be carried out by the Navy buy 18 Bell 412 for SAR role to be operated in 6 flights of 2 aircraft also add 4 C-295 MPA’s
Move all Learjet’s and Citations to the Air Force for VIP work
Find and order 2 two seat Skyhawks fitted to Fightinghawk speck transfer 10 Fightinghawks to the Navy to work along side Brazilian Navy Skyhawks on the Brazilian carrier
Buy the 18 Mirage F-1’s from Jordan upgrade them to MF2000 speck plus buy the 10 best F-1CR’s from for the recon strike role. I know they have tuned down F-1 in the past but I still think F-1 MF2000 is there best option at this time
So it would end up looking like this
Tri service Basic flying School operating 25 aircraft and shearing a base with the Tri service Helicopter training school operating 12 MD 500’s and 8 Bell 212’s for pilot and rear crew training
Tri service multi-engine training school operating 10 Twin Otters and the Airforce and Navy fast jet school operating form the same base operating 25 Tucano’s and 35 Pampa’s
The Airforce would operate
28 Mirage F-1’s
16 Fighting hawks
6 C130’s to be replaced by KC-390’s
8 C-295M
4 Learjets and 2 Citation’s
30 Pucara’sNavy
12 Fightinghawks
4 P-3 Orion’s
4 C295 MPA’s
3 S-2 Tracker ‘s
6 super king airs
4 Seakings and 4 AS555’s
18 Bell 412’s for SARArmy
5 C212’s
20 OV-1 Mohawks
20 Huey 2’s
15 Mil-17’s
20 Bell 206’s
20 Z-11’s
but why not used m2k or upgraded kfirs?
Y-20 BaconI never thought it lookd like the Lavi..but flying over the desert with the light hitting it making it look white.. definitely does
Y-20 BaconA sensible debate ruined by a particular person wanting to start a ‘[Type here what Argentina will go for next] vs Typhoon’ thread…
Different year, same old sh*te…
why so serious? everyone’s having fun.
for some one who threatens daily to leave the forum you keep coming back
perhaps you are a bit of a masochist?
Y-20 BaconWon’t the reshape of canards cause even bigger problem to stealth feature?
no, I think the J-20’s reshaped canards make it stealthier
like this Lockheed model
the only difference is.. most American Stealth canards have the canards and main wing on the same plane.
The J-20’s canards are different and more like the Rafale’s
Y-20 BaconYes, Russia is concidering retireing the Su-33 from service, but there have been proposals for an upgraded Su-33K.
but that plan has appeared to be dropped in favour of buying the Mig-29K, witch makes sence as the aircraft is already in production and development was largely funded by India when they bought the ex-gorshkov.yes, there is a difference, the Su-33 was a navalised development of the 1st generation Su-27.
the J-15 is a navalised development of the J-11B (unlicenced copy of the upgraded Su-27SK), they might look the same on the outside (except for the addtion of canards and a beefed up tailhook), but the main differnce is on the inside.
Russia could also build an upgraded Su-33 based on the newer Su-35 if they wanted to, but as noted, it was cheaper to buy Mig-29K’s as they are already here.just remember, there is still little known about the J-15, so it will be difficult to compare it with the older Su-33.
it might not have the take off weight of the Su-33, but its avionics and weapons systems are far more advanced, so i say it is a better comparison to the Mig-29K.PS:
as to what Russia is getting out of the J-15?
awnser: absolutly nothing.China has been building unlicenced copies of aircraft for years (J-7 = Mig-21, J-6 = Mig-19, H-6 = Tu-16,….)
if they have 1 aircraft, they will take it appart and reverse engineer it, just like what they did with the Su-33/J-15 and, more recently, the Z-20/S-70 Blackhawk.
well to be fair, China’s big ticket aircrafts are probably the most original.
JH-7, J-20, and Y-20 (even though it bears a superficial resemblance to the C-2)
Y-20 BaconProtect China’s image by bashing India. :eagerness:
Gandhi/Jesus !! Were you high when you posted it ? :rolleyes:
he has a victim complex. Most of my threads are not about China at all.
Y-20 Baconwell there is only one person with the pedigree to make that happen Y-20 Bacon….:)
when they make a decision, I will make your wish come true
Y-20 BaconNot necessarily “copying”, but “license producing”, with some framework of “royalties/license fees” being paid by the Chinese. Wasn’t the T-10K-3 the “original” prototype? If so, maybe there were some very good reasons to get hold of that rather than any production serial?
yes but where is the proof? We know Russia had such an agreement for the older Su-27s.. of which China broke to produce their own variants.
but so far nothing on the su-33.
since we are on the subject, will Sikorsky receive royalties or fees too? 😉
Y-20 BaconWith the region being as stable as it is right now they can afford to look at the Kfir Blk 60. If Columbia where to play ball the FAA could send some pilots to assess it but will the government pay the higher price tag some 200 million US differences which works out
200 million divided by 18 = 11 million
11 million divided 10 years = 1.1 million per year per jet
1.1 million divided by 200 hours per year = $5500 which is the basic cost of Mirage F-1M i.e. they can buy and operate F-1 for 10 years for the cost of the Kfir dealwe wait to see what happens
yeah baby, we need a kfir b60 vs typhoon thread!
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