Y-20 Bacononly that there is a “common” (depending on however much one wants to claim or deny it exists) ethnic factor that would play a role in probably lessening mutual inter group hate if it ever comes to war.
again you undermine history. China’s history is full of Han Chinese willing to kill Han Chinese. it happened in the last century, it happened in the last millennium. You also undermine that the Chinese at many periods of time, show strong regionalism tendencies which is one of the factors in the frequent Chinese “civil” wars.
Y-20 BaconBalad Air base is being prepared to host these aircraft
36 aircraft in the deal including 12 twin seaters and 24 single seaters
First aircraft will be delivered in Spring 2014
approx 2 aircraft a month will be delivered thereafter
They are equipped to the same standard as other F16/block 52s including JHMCS
But their armament is limited to Aim-9M / AiM-7M / LGBs no AMRAAM AiM-9X JDAM etc…
Due to the above issue with armaments Iraq is looking to supplant it with a better fighter. They had evaluated the Typhoon, JF-17s and MiG35s as I know.
Iraq should go back to its two original suppliers: France and Russia. at least for airplanes.
Y-20 BaconI think the Queen Elizabeth Class is to far along at this point to convert them as a STOBAR Carriers equipped with Arresting Gear. (i.e. Political & Economical) Yet, it could further down the road maybe during the first extensive refits???
As long as we are talking about the F-35C and STOBAR. The former could be a option for India. As the F-35C could operate from Vikrant, Vikramaditya, or the project 65,000 IAC-2 equipped with Catapults and Arresting Gear. Just saying……
yes, my comments were also taking into consideration the Indian case..
since they operate a STOBAR, would a proposed F-35 sale to India focus on the B or C?
Y-20 BaconA good point, in regards to the liquid nature of ethnic identity, and who knows, maybe in many decades to come current Taiwanese people will experience a collective “Taiwanese” ethnicity (that is to say, not the indigenous Taiwanese of today, but an amalgamation of the nationalists, indigenous, and new migrants).
Whether that comes to pass, depends on degree of cross strait cultural, historical and economic exchange, I think.
And I don’t think Latenlazy ever said ethnicity was a justification for Taiwanese reunification, so the singapore analogy is inaccurate. Rather, he used the Chinese-taiwanese “ethnic” example to point out a (relatively) lower experiencing of inter-race/group hatred between what the Serbs and Croats experienced.
in the end an ethnicity and nation is not based on language or genetic, but what a group of people identify themselves as.
given Taiwan’s historical isolation and general lack of interest by mainlanders in Taiwan until recently, its no surprise that Taiwanese (whether they are descendent from ancient Minnanese speaking settlers, recent Chinese settlers, or indigenous) generally can’t identify themselves with mainlanders despite some common cultural aspects.
Its the same in many island and distant societies.
Its ideally up to the people living on the island to decide if they want to politically unite with the PRC or not. It doesn’t make sense what people not living there feel about it. You do not see Vancouver people voting on a Quebec referendum or people in Wales deciding the fate of Scotland in 2014.
What the PRC can do on the other hand is create an atmosphere that would make the ROC want to go back. Such is the case with Reunion and France where not only did the people of Reunion not want independence, but wanted to further integrate with the French State.
Y-20 BaconNot the best example, because to outsiders, Serbs & Croats are the same ethnicity. They look the same, & speak the same language: see Bosnia, where many ‘Serbs’ & ‘Croats’ speak dialects which to people from Croatia or Serbia all sound Bosnian, not Serbian or Croatian. The difference is not language, or ancestry, but their religious tradition: Croats are traditionally Catholic, Serbs Orthodox. For example, note that some of the ‘Serb’ communities in Croatia can trace their origin back to Vlachs (speaking a language like Romanian) who the Austrians made subject to the Serbian Orthodox hierarchy in the 17th century, & who were subsequently Serbianised.
it could be argued that Serbs and Croats are much more closely related in terms of culture and language than Cantonese speakers and Northern Chinese Mandarin speakers.
Their country says its a dialect of the same language, but most linguists agree that its nothing more than a political move to create unity when in reality its two separate unintelligible languages that are in the same family. They also look a bit different, especially when you compare the looks of Serbs and Croats.
Y-20 BaconYou’re barking up the wrong tree now.
here’s what I said:
“That doesn’t say FD-2000 performed better than the other systems, but rather all four were in the same ballpark of performance, at least in the turk’s eyes.”I think you’re interpreting the words “same ballpark” as meaning equal performance between each system in every metric, without recognizing the “at least in the turk’s eyes” part.
again its your assumption.
you need to stop assuming what the Turks think and actually quote what the Turks said
and their Defense Minister says: “transfer of technology, co-production, timely delivery, and costs”
nothing about performance.
http://en.trend.az/regions/met/turkey/2200951.html
I personally would have to agree with the DM. Given Turkeys desire to be a arms producer, the Chinese solution would give them a better chance at achieving part of that goal.
Y-20 BaconSeems so.
Propulsion seems to be a turbojet (not a gliding weapon like JSOW) and possibly guided by GPS.
Length between 3,5 and 4,5 m depending on sources (can probably be estimated with dimensions of aircraft in the pictures)
I can’t find any information about its propulsion.
the top part has a folding wing mechanism like jsow as well.
Y-20 BaconWhat happened to Arthur?
The engine response issue doesn’t seem to have deterred the Indian air force, for its Jaguar re-engining – but that seems to have gone very quiet. Off topic here, though.
most of the mods have moved on……….. to secret projects
as for Haguar, could be a different story since its a ground attack aircraft and thrust is not as vital?
what I want to know is why this aircraft, which is about the same size as the Gripen, has much inferior range.
Y-20 BaconChina and Taiwan is a purely political dispute. Both sides are the same ethnicity. The sociology of a Cross Strait conflict is very different than the examples you’re referring to.
yes and no.
PRC is not one ethnicity, its a country of 56 ethnic groups and dozens of unrecognized ones, although some nationalists like to believe its only Han Chinese
ROC is by sheer majority not just Han Chinese, but specifically Minnanese who’ve long settled in Taiwan. Following them are recent migrants from various parts of China and indigenous Taiwanese who were there long before any Chinese speaking group.
then you have to consider what is an ethnic group.. do you think Singapore should be a part of China because its dominant ethnic group is Chinese or Australia part of the UK? An ethnic group in the end is what people identify themselves no more or no less, and not what you think they should be.
Y-20 BaconThere will most certainly be urban combat, but this isn’t something the ROCAF has much experience in, and even urban warfare needs bullets and supplies to mount an insurgency. This becomes a major challenge to address for a small island. Worse yet, the most urbanized section of the island is also the capital, which, in addition to the size of the island, precludes effective buffers from a decapitating strike.
if the PRC made a war, its simply an issue of how long they will take to conquer ROC, not an issue if they can or can’t.
however another issue is at what costs is the PRC willing to win.
decades ago the PRC couldn’t even take Kinmei which is only very few km from Xiamen and eventually gave up on it.
the PRC is stronger now, but its economy and global connection is also bigger to the point where having a war so close to its shores could be very destabilizing.
imagine if the US launched an all out war with Cuba. do you honestly think the US economy wouldn’t suffer? its one thing to fight a war far away from your markets, its another to fight it next to you.
Y-20 BaconLol unless I can run a sort of analysis of variance regarding all of their capabilities (and that goes for all weapons systems without a “generational” leap), I think that is probably the most prudent conclusion, no?
Putting it another way, is there a significant difference in performance between X, Y and Z based in their own merits (e.g.: accounting for engagement scenarios, human factor, off board capability such as AEWC).
That’s just paraphrasing what I said in the last post, that all the weapons were in the same ballpark for turkey’s performance parameters. I’m not making a statement regarding the absolute performance between each of them
lets look at it this way..
the Gripen, Rafale, Typhoon all met (or met most of) the capability requirements of the Swiss AF.
Swiss chose Gripen. Does that mean the Gripen’s performance is the same as the Typhoon? No.
What it means is that the Gripen regardless of its difference in performance to the Typhoon, can still do the required job and it also met some other non performance parameters such as costs.
For the time being all we can say is that Turkey wanted ToT and the Chinese seem to be willing to give them that.
only you added further assumptions that the three or four missile systems are roughly similar in performance with out any proof.
Y-20 BaconAren’t there allready two airframe for static purpose?
isnt it 50-0 and 50-6?
Y-20 BaconI always thought that weapon was a cluster bomb…
Is it something more along the lines of JSOW (or perhaps SLAM-ER or JASSM?)
yeah it looks something like JSOW.
btw that reminds me.. do you remember Arthur? you’re probably one of the few remaining members who might.
he once said that Taiwanese pilots preferred the Ching-Kuo the least due to its engine response issues.
Y-20 BaconYou mean like a Canadian F-4 Phantom or a Russian F-104 Starfighter? (just what popped into my head)
I’m not nearly creative enough for that though I suppose with enough thought I could figure it out.
yeah something like that.
I personally like the whatifs that were nearly possible
such as say an RAF F-14 or F-15 (they once considered it)
or same air force but different time period
such as say, a USAF F-22.. but using older USAF schemes
btw that su 37 above is pretty nice.
Y-20 BaconWell my collection is pretty huge (well over 100 models total…scales 1:144, 1:72, 1:48, and 1:32 primarily…might be another odd scale or two in there), but I’ve been building them since I was a kid, and so even the earliest ones I did, I still have for the most part. The vast majority of my collection is in a pair of huge plastic bins. Recently, I used the third bedroom in my home to make an office or study, and I decided to give it an aviation theme. Kind of a “me” room you know? (Wife gets the rest of the house to decorate so I wanted the one room at least…ha ha)
Anyways, my current “collection” is now largely what I will hang from the ceiling in that room. I currently have the following (all in 1:48) hanging from my ceiling:
MiG-29 Fulcrum-A (Russia)
F/A-18C Hornet (USN)
Tornado F.3 (RAF)
Tornado GR.1 (RAF)
NF-5A Freedom Fighter (Norway)
MiG-21bis Fishbed-L (Russia)
F-4F Phantom II (Germany)
F-102A Delta Dagger (USAF)
MiG-19S Farmer-C (Russia)
Hunter F.6 (RAF)
F-84G Thunderjet (USAF)
U-2C Dragon Lady (USAF)
UH-1B Iroquois (U.S. Army)
Bf-109G (Luftwaffe)
Bf-110G (Luftwaffe)
Ju-87D (Luftwaffe)
P-40C Warhawk (AVG aka Flying Tigers)It’s a relatively small room so I don’t really have too much more room, but my next three projects are a Mirage IIICJ, MiG-25 Foxbat, and A-7D Corsair II.
very nice collection you have.
ever considered doing a whatif scheme?
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