JSRniip always understand there ranges. The BARS radar range is still only 140km presumably from 1990s. Malaysian specialist consider BARS longer range than APG-73 which they evaluated in early 2000. Irbis built in 2018 should have atleast 1000km range.
http://www.niip.ru/catalog/aviatsionnoe-naprvlenie/rlsu-bars/
Air-Air mode “:
the detection range type fighter MiG-29 in area of 300 m2 review. hail:
-on a collision course-up to 140 km;
-on dogonnyh courses-up to 60 km.
They are not just making the aircraft bigger. latest MIG-29 has bigger cockpit and nose, 50% greater range and over 6 ton payload and that decreasing the overall weight. this will give you idea of tough engineering requriements for entering new product into Ruaf. I am sure the final MIG35 will fully exploit the ultra long range missiles.
http://www.janes.com/article/71714/paris-air-show-2017-mig-35-dubbed-transitional-link-between-fourth-and-fifth-gen-fighters
As noted by Chernov, the MiG-35 has greatly expanded the use of composites, which appeared sparingly in the MiG-29, comprising up to 15% of the total materials content in the aircraft. This, in turn, has made the overall empty weight of the aircraft far less than its original design, which allows the MiG-35 to carry six additional tonnes of payload
JSRI only know of one J-10 crash in which a female pilot died. But this article says there were a ton of crashes and they blame the Russians?
This is Chinese putting blame on others from its own quality issues either in manufacturing or training/maintaince. Russia systems are well proven in third world. look at 100 JF-17 that flying and soon will become 200. plus once country familiar with Russian quality they buy a lot more and different variety.
http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4891644
During the visit of Russian Defense Minister agreed the purchase of Myanmar six Su-30″ Fomin said. “We believe that the Su-30 will be the main fighting Myanmar AIR FORCE fighter aircraft to defend the country’s territorial integrity and repulsing of terrorist threats,” he added.
According to him, Russian weapons very well proven in service in the armed forces of Myanmar. “This is, in particular, helicopters MI-24, Mi-35 and MI-17, as well as MiG-29 fighter aircraft, the yak-130 combat aircraft, anti-aircraft missile systems” Pechora-2 “other machinery”, said the General.
China can sell one thing but it does not mean it can sell spectrum of products especially products that need long term operations.
JSRLet me put it this way. The fact that the US like so much to bomb the crap out of many a country means that through sheer economies of scale they can get guided bombs for cheap.
So what next, you guys are going to advise Russia to bomb dozens of countries with guided munitions to lower unit cost? That sure would be more humane than dropping bombs that fall 50 meters off ISIS.
Nic
you don’t need bomb countries to make bomb making cheaper. Russia already tested several hundred Klibr/Kh-XX/Iskander. . It is the intensity and accuracy of bombing that matter. US steel production is nearly identical to Russian own steel production. but US produces 8 times more automobiles than Russia plus all that replaceble rubber that needed to drive that automobiles. there is whole lot difference in GDP like US has oversize healthcare/financial/legal industry/50 states duplicate government. There is no efficiency and effectiveness in the system.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-25/under-trump-made-in-america-is-losing-out-to-russian-steel
Under Trump, Made in America Is Losing Out to Russian Steel
JSRone more thing. That Global Eye radar only become reality due to $1.2b export deal with UAE that include integration on new platform. it shows it is not some huge sum of money that make GaN radar make happen even with ineffective R&D history.
JSRCalculating cost or actually cost burden for end user is a bit more complicated given the vast difference in the size of the pockets when it comes to the two armed forces and economies
where you get idea about vast difference in pockets and economies?. Russian projects are executed efficiently and effectively. Projects like Su-57 that has R&D involved along with transforming into 6G fighter will get bit delayed or creating A-100 AWACS with big self protecting pods.
but any less complex projects (less complex for Russian engineering not other countries) like bridge to Crimea with heavy cargo trains and trucks designed is ahead of schedule. This kind of projects show increasing the practical logistical efficiency of economic system. as each complex product is made of hundreds of thousands of parts with spread out suppliers.
JSRRussian strike with Guidance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cJVwFasr28
Russian Strike with SVP-24:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uImrKMpNH0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGQ5RWPXNQcNow all Strikes are as we all can see a Mission Kill..
Those Beardies sitting in those trucks when those KAB250 and KAB500 hit, are very much dead.
Yes we can see(as Marcello points out) the precision is not direct on target, but a few meters off. I does not change anything.
The Initial shockwave from the blast, will hammer their brains like Jellybeans. Add to that scrapnel will mess up material and soft tissue.The Guided Strikes by VKS cost around $4-8K
The KAB’s cost around $500-1.5K
Would be very funny to compare this to US made A2G munition:highly_amused:
KAB does not cost $500k. That is more like price if klibr and kh101. Off course export prices can be upto ten times higher.
JSRSu-25 took upto 6 sorties per day per plane. its the high intensity like helicopter operations that make a difference. I see them using rockets. I doubt any western aircraft designed for such operation.
Plus Russian airbase is relatively mild weather by Middleast standards. no need for gaint electric/airconditioning infrastructure.
JSRWhat I find interesting about the whole aspect though is that it was no more than a couple of years ago that it was said (I am not sure if it was on this board or not) that GaN cannot be produced in Russia due to lack of specific technologies or needed resources. Now here we are, couple years later and they already have a production going of GaN modules and currently production facility from NIIET (Of Ruselectronics) is expanding to increase production capacity of said GaN modules since they will be used in both military and civilian production.
Saab Global Eye came out it was claimed that it can detect stealth targets at extended range presumably due to GaN modules. I don’t want to embarrass the person who brought this Russia cant make GaN modules when Russia is making much bigger AWACS with much much better engineering skills. Sweden has put Sony in front of Ericsson. There are countless other firms that Sweden has foreign ownership and help now. even JAS39E engine and components practically imported. A country that is losing more and more industrial and scientific skills all of sudden can make better GaN T/R modules with all the complex software development.
https://saab.com/globaleye
Extended range, enhanced performance
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-06-16/saabs-globaleye-surveillance-system-takes-shape-global-6000
However, at the core of the system is a new airborne early warning radar known as Erieye-ER. Housed in the same over-cabin “ski-box” fairing as the previous iterations of the Erieye radar, the S-band Erieye ER employs gallium nitride semiconductor technology to allow more power to be transmitted while providing greater flexibility of operating mode.
In developing Erieye-ER Saab looked to extend the range at which low-observable targets can be detected, as such air vehicles are increasingly fielded around the world. “Reclaiming the stealth gap” is how the company describes it, and the GlobalEye is being marketed as the “stealth-killer.”
JSRWhen is F-16 and A-10 1960s era?. They operationally deployed in 1980s. A little later than Su-24 .
JSRSyrian operations has made good impression on libyans and there is possibility of military base there and it will be even more profitable.
http://www.libyanexpress.com/libyas-eastern-parliament-speaker-praises-russias-training-of-haftar-led-forces/
https://www.libyaobserver.ly/news/russias-plans-military-base-east-libya-truth-or-fabrication
JSRthat tactical transport is now called IL-276 and is for post 2020 period now.
whoe description of Superjet in Mexico.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2018-01-16/sji-challenges-reports-interjet-fleet-woes
SJI Challenges Reports of Interjet Fleet Woes
JSRAs it is, one of the primary air to air weapon for the Su-30MKI and Super-30 will be the Astra Mk1 and Mk2 when it is ready, which doesn’t require Russian integration support with any non-Russian radar. Brahmos integration was developed, tested and certified, along with all the structural mods to the aircraft, indigenously after the Russian response was deemed to be too expensive.
how do you know it was expensive? and in what year the offer was given and what was included in the offer like airframe life and speed of implementation of upgrades.
Russia is already paying for the development of the N036, isn’t it? But is it going to pay anytime soon for integrating any N036 radar variant on the Su-30SM? Unlikely. Very likely that they’ll piggyback on the IAF’s Super-30 program for that, since the export customer will pay for the integration and testing of the N036 radar variant – if it is the chosen radar that is.
Su-30SM was chosen by Ruaf 16 year later than IAF. but now they already created advanced version of it without waiting for IAF. Ruaf cannot wait for technologically backward and monetarily deficient customers to the right upgrades on time.
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/19972/Russia_Developing_New_Version_Of_Su_30SM_Fighter_Jet_Based_On_Syrian_Combat_Experience#.WmF-M0xFzIU
Russia is developing a modernized version of its super-manoeuvrable Sukhoi Su-30SM fighter jet with upgraded avionics and is capable of using latest high-precision ammunitions
JSRFirst, it’s not my China, second, there’s a difference between fighter-scale AESA, missile-scale AESA, and surveillance-scale AESA. Note the Chinese actually ran AESA on their warships and had AESA radar on their AEW&C aircraft before moving it onto their fighters. The challenge is not so much as building an AESA itself, as it is to miniaturize it cheaply; large AESA can use large modules using older fabrication technologies, but radar using small modules have to use more modern and less mature fabrication technologies.
yup there is difference in various AESA application and implementation. why do you think Israeli not upgrading all its fighers with AESA if it so super-duper technology?
I’d also like some information on relative PESA cost. For instance, in the case of the F/A-18, the APG-79 upgrades to AESA cost about 3 million a piece. In the case of the F-15, the APG-63v3 costs around 9 million a piece. Can you point to a case of PESA being more expensive than AESA, with the same radar aperture size?
cost of PESA vs AESA is mute point for Airforce that use 12 ton fuel load fighters and 30 to 60 tons fuel load bombers. that cheaper differences between radars for money pinching airforces.
In 2015 one of the firm already designed space based communication module.
http://micran.com/news/327736/
2Micran Relies On NI AWR Software For The Design Of A Complex Space-Qualified X-Band MMIC
I’d also point to the Russian AESA pods as an example of why Russia has traditionally been unable to build AESA cheaply. If you note what’s going on with GaN, GaN is actually preferred over GaAs if cost were no issue. Yet the main implementations of GaN, in the West, are in surveillance radars and in jamming pods, not in fighter radars, for which the cost is not acceptable.
Russia builds engine and airframe cheaply so why cant it built AESA cheaply? there is far less labor involved in AESA module manufacturing than engine and airframe. The gasoline prices are one-third in Russia of Israel and water supply availability is second to none with manufacturing in towns not pressured by population. All this ingredients for very cheap supply chain whether its building unlimited bombs (look at bomb rate in Syria) or extracting all the minerals from mines on most efficient transport logistics.
JSR.
As regards PESA vs AESA, the main issue with AESA is cost. It’s more difficult to build an AESA module than it is to build a PESA module, in terms of the cost and complexity. In a PESA system, you have a phase shifter and a few magnetrons, but in an AESA system, you have full T/R modules with signal generation being handled onboard each module. If you note, the first AESA systems were outrageously expensive, with F-2s costing 150 million in the 90s. It’s only with improvements in production technology that the cost of AESA has come down, and as others have stated, Russian fabricators are 80s and 90s technology, bought from the Europeans before Putin came into power.
Japanese F-2 will still cost $150m if built today with latest electronics and composite materials that can with stand 3D Thrust vectored with heavy loads and much higher internal fuel capacity.. you are very clueless person about aviation industry. AESA cost is very minor thing in over aircraft construction. Russian did not bought anything from Europeans. Europeans did not know how to built advanced electronic scanning radar that’s why your China also went to Israel for A-50EI as far back in mid 90s. the whole thing was initially only $200m. Japanese have no role in developing AESA technology except for commercializing first at low power.
https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/2000/press.html
Through their inventions this year’s Nobel Laureates in physics have laid a stable foundation for modern information technology. Zhores I. Alferov and Herbert Kroemer have invented and developed fast opto- and microelectronic components based on layered semiconductor structures, termed semiconductor heterostructures.
The Russians, basically, given the choice, would go with AESA. But they stick to PESA, upscale the magnetrons, increase system power, on most systems because they can’t afford to throw AESA around willy-nilly. That’s the same reason you see MiG-35 with AESA as opposed to Flankers with AESA. In the Russian case, since MiG-35s have weak radars, due to small aperture size, to begin with, AESA increases their ability more. Second, since MiG-35s are lightweight aircraft, the cost of the upgrade is smaller than on the Su-35s.
Russia is the only country that can afford big Pods on almost every aircraft built with AESA technology. Russian president administration has upto 16 aircraft that has more than likely AESA based communication and self protection technology. offcourse there is A-100 that has more powerfull engine power than all other AWACS currently flying.
MIG-35 is not light weight. its MTOW is within 5 tons of Su-27SK/J-11.
MIG35 certainly fly higher and faster than Chinese flanker. Just look at load out of Chinese Su-33 and MIG-29K. you will get idea which aircraft is more powerfull.
JSRSu-57 is only composite material 3D TVC fighter and still able to fly high and super cruise with generous fuel capacity and still sleek. Once you understand those functions they are next to impossible to implement in single western fighters. It already border line of 6G
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