JSRSure, because when I think semiconductors I think “Russia”… :rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiconductor_sales_leaders_by_year
http://news.techeye.net/chips/russian-chip-companies-on-the-up
Any curious when AMD rolled out its 90nm process?
A little over 9 years ago…
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/13/amd_revenue_shipments/
Still, this is big progress for Russia.
Angstrem has no relationship with Mikron. Angstrem business changed so that equipment not needed. Most if fan equipment built by Netherland based firm. And your only comparing commercial sales not necessary military grade equipment.
JSRand it means what? What you can tell us? That tree “poor” czech industrial division of Škoda company are so good that is way they was bought by companies like Doosan? It easy to understand that czech owners in 2004 started restructuring of Škoda Holding and concentrate only on transport and electrick power industry because they wanted. Well they sold tree division and on the other hand bought eight czech transport industrial companies and futher bought or established in Russia, Poland, Hungary, Germany, China like Sibelektroprivod, Ganz – Škoda Electric, Škoda Deutschland etc. Anyway those thee formal Škoda divisions are still working in the Czech republic (products are made by Czechs, so they are czech companies), have own development section in the Czech republic, and pay taxes for czech state, so they are still parts of czech industry. “Majority of products need foreign suppliers to assemble the finish product” – yeah it fits on almoust every todays´modern industrial companies, just for example cars of marks VW, Audi, Bentley, Jaguar, Bugatti, Land Rover canot be competed without czech headligths, Ferraries without czech windscreens… etc etc…. some US or russian towns needs czech trams ant troleybuses, some police and army corps need czech weapons, some ESA satelites need czech componets etc. etc. just this offtopic discussion is over for me
It does not change the fact for L159 majority of critical components would have been imported. this make deal difficult to implement. which Fedykin failed to grasp in beginning in previous thread. the same thing could happen to T-50 deal down the road.
In Auto manufacturing Engine/transmission is the most important tech. headlights/window screens these are secondary things.
JSRWe should not over-estimate Russian electronics technology. Remember that in the late 1990s, some Russian missile seekers relied on commercial-grade integrated circuits of US origin
AAM BVR missiles in 1990s were not that good any way against semi competent airforce not matter what the origin. You should not underestimate the amount of money Russia spend on semiconductors after 1990s and hands on experience Russian specialist gained in Korean and other electronic manufacturers. That K-SAM along KSLV transfer.
STMicro French-Italian is another one cooperating with Mikron Russia. relentless competition from Asian manufactures is forcing EU based firms to cooperate with Russia.
http://www.mikron.sitronics.com/press/news/5958/
“Russian microelectronics has enough technological and manufacturing facilities for handling strategic issues.”- pointed out Gennady Krasnikov, Head of “Mikron” group of companies, commenting Mikron’s research and development projects implementation.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-27/how-an-old-russian-invention-inspired-stmicro-s-hover-screen.html
How an Old Russian Invention Inspired STMicro’s Hover Screen
JSRI know it suits your RUSSIA IS BEST fantasies that any nation that was once under the Soviet sphere must be some form of economic basket case but YOU are just plain wrong on this. I have one name to say “Skoda” stick that in your pipe and smoke it.The Czech republic has a very good industrial base. A case in point Skoda (heavy industries not the car maker) is selling multi axis CNC to Kawasaki Heavy Industries. Hardly the sign of an un-industrialised nation when they are selling precision equipment to one of the most high tech industrialised countries on the planet. Here is a Skoda UFK 1000 in the Kawasaki plant:
The Czech republic is famed for its heavy industry and technical R&D, there are members of this forum who are Czech I am in no doubt they would be highly insulted with your attitude to their nation.
I am sure there are some niche products produced there but majority of products need foreign suppliers to assemble the finish product. than there is foreign ownership of assets that will control direction of business and labor training. think OMZ and United Group.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_Works
The power division (sold to Doosan) produces as Doosan Škoda Power steam turbines, heat exchangers and condensers.The metallurgy division (held by United Group) produces as Pilsen Steel crankshafts, turbine components or ingots.
The nuclear division (sold to OMZ) produces as Škoda JS equipment for nuclear plants or oil refining, petrochemical and gas industry.
The transportation division produces trolleybuses, tramcars, electric locomotives, electric multiple units and rapid transit train systems.
sheytanelkebir has given you the reason for the pace of F-16 deliveries to Iraq, Money pure and simple. Iraq was only going to get them when the money was stumped up. We have an actual Iraqi citizen pointing out that the delivery schedule/delays are down to themselves and nothing to do with LM. Put a different record on you are making yourself sound stupid.
his reasons are exactly the thing I mentioned. that F-16 was too expensive as it is near the tail end of production. when some thing is expensive you pay slowly.and things implemented slowly. The same thing happened with Mi-28 vs Apache.
They are not equipped with AESA and uprated engines. Irak will need to use it for next 40 years. and a lot of restrictions. and above all if Republican administration comes there is highly likelyhood of lack of support. they are much closer to Saudis.
South Korean situation is much worse with there own dependency which is likely to grow over long term.
JSRSo you admit it is a theory, well I suppose that is progress for you. The Czech could of implemented the deal, they are a major industrialised nation. In the end it was stopped for money reasons.
Czech was in no position to implement that deal alone.i predicted on first day of difficulty in implementing that deal. Czech hardly consider a industrialized nation in modern terms.
Ahhhhh back to that old idea, the LM can’t build F-16 fast enough. This despite the aircraft being in full production on a line that has repeatedly proven its ability to service contracts. The customer works with LM to work out the F-16 delivery schedule, so far there have been no significant issues and the pilots are in training ready for the initial delivery. Whilst some might not like it US restrictions on capabilities it is not unusual. Then off to your usual fantasy economics.
Never mind at least you have made one small step to admitting you have no knowledge about what your talking about. We are making progress.
LM cant built Iraki F-16 fast enough. F-16 sales are near the tail end. so it is getting more expensive with reduced production rate.
There are far less restrictions on Turkish and Israeli F-16s. which are mostly delivered as aid but Iraki ones paid for has more restrictions.
JSRNope our debate in respect of the L159 was related to your assumption that it was not suitable as a LIFT for the F-16 which it very much is and your theory that European nations won’t sell defence articles to Iraq.
My theory is correct. there is no L159. Czech republic cannot implement that deal without support from other countries. BAE cannot even think of Hawk trainer.
We all chuckled at your ignorance and moved on.
As sheytanelkebir has pointed out the Iraqi parliament is not taking any behind closed doors negotiations nonsense from the Prime Minister or Defence Minister. That is what stopped the Russian defence deal, I remember the amount of time you wasted trying to prove that behind closed door negotiations was alright with Russia and we all laughed when the deal was stopped and proper negotiations ordered. Technically the L159 deal hasn’t been cancelled but it is pretty much dead, I am impressed with the firm oversight the Iraqi parliament is giving and if that means the L159 deal had to be stopped good for them. Doesn’t make the L159 a bad aircraft as you seem to think.
As I said at the time what Iraq buy is not too much of an issue for me but pointing out your lack of knowledge is amusing.
It is not about Iraqi parliament. look at LM. it is taking more than 5 years to deliver a standard F-16 (slowest implementation in history of F-16)and there will be severe restrictions on its use. F50 has many parts like engine for US. it may be designate as trainer so it can fly under radar. It can still be blocked as GE has a lot more business to other Arab countries and SK is totally depended on LNG imports which Iraq cannot produce.
JSRWell L159 deal is dead then.
T50 will be a nice LIFT for the F16 with a secondary combat capability. Impressed that Iraq is going for a modern up to date type.
L159 was dead on arrival. Remember the debate last year on Iraqi helicopter thread. you were so sure about L159 and Irak.
it remain to be seen how Skorea can fulfill this deal with armed version.
JSRSigh, JSR economics. Where yet again we get an insight into his warped world view and his ability to bring up unrelated issues.
Poland very much has a GDP and isn’t some vassal for German industry. Poland has a GDP of about 800billion dollars and is one of the fastest growing economies in the EU. The country unlike many other countries in Europe has a positive GDP growth of close to 2%.
Just laugh at him that is what I do.
Turkey has larger GDP than Poland. but it does not mean it can compete with KSA/Algeria in procurement.
JSRlol at you for thinking 200bn in reserves will be used for the military
I did not say all of money for procurement. I merely pointing your in accurate comparision of comparing GDP of natural resource based country to GDP of assembly line countries.
with meltdown in Libya. Algeria importance is increasing to squeeze a lot more money. Algeria can surely can afford entire list and they are all needed.
JSRlol. is this what Algeria wants, or what you want?
Algeria’s defense budget is smaller than Poland’s and an economy the size of Romania (and Algeria is using 4.5% of its gdp too).
Its main threats are internal.
Poland economics are assembly line for Germanic business. It does not have its own GDP. It has to play by by EU rules.
Algeria has this much reserves two years ago. which is large amount relative to population.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-18073734
Algeria’s $200bn foreign currency reserves
http://www.albawaba.com/business/algeria-ranks-second-classification-foreign-exchange-reserves-value-399034
The International Monetary Fund has classified Algeria as the least indebted among the 20 countries in the Middle East and North Africa. Algeria ranks second in the classification of countries that have the most important exchange reserves, after Saudi Arabia
JSRBecause $1.5 billion was a magic number. Buy anything you like price remains unchanged. Not a penny more not a penny less. :rolleyes:
yes. they are not going to lower the price beyond certain minimum
The payments for the Gorshkov did not start in 2010. The point that I made and the debate that you invited yourself to was about the high probability of India rejecting the Gorshkov had they known its actual price in 2004.
rejecting Gorshkov in 2004 does not mean India would have chosen more expensive option. infact it would have dithered on it for another decade just like MMRCA saga.
The responsibility for underestimating the cost of refurbishment/trials rests primarily with the contractor not the customer. The liquidity in the global system is irrelevant. FYI they’re were no sharp falls or spikes in the USD-RUB rate between 2004 and 2007 (and please no asinine theories the ‘real’ reasons behind that).
yes but customer agreed with enhanced price in 2009. as there is still value in the deal. there is huge wage growth happened between 2004 to 2007 in Russia due to monetary easing.
Today your theories are held in contempt. Next day… they’re still held in (possibly greater) contempt.
yup clueless about economics will contempt it.
JSRReally? Did they not make use of them at all?!?
that investment is very small relative to overall Russia R&D on semiconductors. so it cannot have such impact.
It is full cycle semiconductor from raw materials to nano process products.
http://www.sumitomocorp.co.jp/english/news/detail/id=27200&tc=bx
Investment in Russian High Purity Quartz Production Project
JSRUS can certainly bend Japan. which is practically a basket case.
JSRAs usual a vacuous claim. The Gorshkov was transferred as a quid pro quo for the MiG purchase not the other way round.:rolleyes:
They were only concerned with getting $1.5b in 2004. If there was no Gorshkov the price of fighters would likely would have jumped to $1.5
They’d both use a similar if not the same grade of steel. Same LM2500 gas turbines, scaled up diesels. By carrying over the design to the IAC program they’d also have managed huge cost and time savings on the latter.
BTW the Gorshkov refurbishment cost $2.35 billion not $1.5 billion.
$2.35b for Gorshkov only agreed in 2010. I am going by original 2004 figures. There was no way India would signed for it if there was
$2.5b for Carrier alone. and after being notified of Price increase in 2007
. why did not India went for so called cheap Italian carrier rather than dithering for 3 years on price increase.
And a lot of price increase has to with Sea trials. Again QE of dollars from 2004 to 2007.. Let see how much is over budget so called IAC-1
http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/cag-slams-govt-navy-over-gorshkov-deal_549874.html
The CAG report said the most substantial increase in Gorshkov’s cost of USD 522.57 million was on account of sea trials, which were originally contracted for USD 27 million
So India’s economic growth was driven only by the rising Euro which in turn was driven only by deficit spending in the US… :rolleyes:. Save your lectures on economics for someone who holds your philosophies in lesser contempt.
Today QE3 stopped. next day practically no growth and no currency stability in India.
JSRFact 1 – The MiG-29K was available and could have been operated off any suitable platform regardless of its origin.
yes MIG-29K available but not at price in 2004 signup. Russia would still have charged $1.5b for 16 MIG-29K in 2004 considering no one else can come to that price and capability. F-18E non Naval 2007 Export Price is $3b. Rafale did not have any antiship or anti radiation missile integrated. it was a primitive platform.
Fact 2 – Extrapolating from the cost of Cavour ($1.7 billion), a 45000 ton carrier could very well have been acquired for around $2.5 billion.
You cannot extrapolate costs like. Different engines, different steel and strength needed for 45k carrier. India simply unwilling to sign anything above $1.5b in 2004. Your assuming India has the way money at all the times in history which is simply not the case. it is only Bush supplied economics that devalued the dollar and raised the Euro to 1.68 in 2007 to 2008 period that India got some money for deals.
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