Regardless of any religious beliefs and views I may hold myself, I do not see how two sets of laws could operate – surely one set has to be subject to, and thus effectively over-ruled by the other. If not will residents be allowed to choose which set of laws they wish to be tried underif they are found to have broken a law – a sort of “pick and mix” scheme based on likely punishment schedules if found guilty perhaps?

As I have said before(though possibly on another forum elsewhere), anyone choosing to live in this country must accept that that they must live within the current laws of this land, and they must accept that the vast majority of the Law may well be based on (vaguely!) Christian beliefs and morals, as this is historically the faith of the majority of residents. Any action outside those Laws must expect to be trialled and prosecuted subject to those Laws.

If new UK residents wish to change the Laws that currently prevail, there are legal means for doing so, and they must be followed. If the majority of residents support a shift to Sharia law with all it entails (good and bad), then if this is achieved by proper democratic means, then so be it. Until that is achieved, anyone wishing to follow Sharia Law can still choose to do so, only so long as it is not in contravention of any exisiting UK Legislation.

If I choose to go and live in a Muslim country, I would have to accept that I must live within their legislation, or accept the consequences. Yes I would hope that my own (non Muslim/non Sharia) beliefs would be respected, but I cannot expect this as a right , and I would have to accept that I chose to live in that country, and if this infringes my own personal beliefs and morals, then I must remember it is MY personal choice to be there.

Ultimately it’s my responsibility to check I am happy to live within the prevailing Legislation of any country in which I choose to live (even for a holiday) – if I find that the local Legislation contravenes my own beliefs I have three options – 1. I can get out asap, or 2. I can follow the local Legislation (Sharia or otherwise), whcih may cause me some moral dilemmnas, or 3. I can disregard local Legislation and risk prosecution for breaking their laws (and ignorance cannot be assumed to be a suitable defence), the penalties for which may be very different to those I would expect “at home”.

Two sets of rules is NOT a workable option.

Wedges..thin ends, country….pan…descent into, etc etc

Paul F

Died? Or has he simply moved on to a better place…..:diablo:

Paul F

A small “self contained” community. Everything will be “within 10mins” walk. Sounds idyllic doesn’t it?

But what about a post office? :dev2:

Based on current moves by the Post Office here in the Sussex and Kent, after “extensive consultation” (i.e. We ask your thoughts and opinions, and then ignore them entirely, but we can then say we did ask the locals before taking action), a catchment area of 3000 homes (say population of 6000 – 9000 heads) will be insufficient to support a Post Office, so there goes there “self contained” and “everything within 10mins walk” bullsh1t then….as locals will still need to get in their cars and drive off to find the nearest post office. Or have we found a way to send 3 dimensional objects down telephone cables too…

And presumably everyone in the community will find employment tending to the fleet of boats on the new Broad, or serving in the “self contained” High Street, so no residents will need to commute away from the place everyday. And schemes will ensure the place affordable to locals, and not just to “Townies” who fancy a weekend/holiday retreat close to an attractive lake…

Nice idea, but dream on……

Some of the plans for Dunsfold include “attractive” and “eco friendly” water features too – glad to see the developers are so in touch with “green” issues, and are not simply seeing lakes as cheap way of filling the “holes” left after gravel extraction then :rolleyes:

ASA are obliged to follow up any complaints they receive, so yep, it would only take one letter to prompt an investigation of the Coke ads…..:D

As you say, it does seem “PC gone mad” that a half-naked bloke is seen as acceptable, when a fully clad (:diablo: ) young lady is not. In both cases one could argue that s+xual attraction is being implied, even if not explicitly stated. Of course, the (albeit tenuous) implication that might link the Ryanair ad to promoting sexualisation(can’t think of the correct word) of under-age schoolgirls might be seen as more worthy of ASA time and effort, but in tehory why is that any more offensive than a half-naked male?

Ultimately someone has complained about the Ryanair Ad, yet I suspect no-one has (yet) complained about the Coke ad.

And are either any more offensive than the Maltesers Ad where the girl pulls her top up and exposes her bra and breasts to the innocent guy walking past? Though that, of course, is seen as a harmless joke, whereas a young lady posing as a “schoolgirl” is not – the world’s gone mad:(

Paul F

I used to go to Farnborough, until a sudden realisation that it had become tiresome, expensive, and the run in a complacent manner as though just by being the ‘Farnborough Airshow’ bestowed upon it qualities of greatness, its wonders to behold.

The specacle and excitement has been regulated out of it, displays too high, too far away. ……

Fings ain’t wot they used to be ! ….

Too right Propstrike. I have been every year since 1972, but the last few shows have lead me to think, “Am i just here out of habit these days..think I may give the next one a miss?”

2006 did bring three “new” types to Farnsbarns, the Bell Osprey, the Canadair ariborne radar biz-jet for the RAF (name escapes me as it’s such a boring type) and the A380, which were new types I could add to my “Seen it/Photographed it” list, but apart from that it was very much “same old same old”. Had I been at RIAT the weekend before I probably wouldn’t have bothered.

I blame the prolonged development cycles of modern types, combined with the loss of urgency brought about by the “peace dividend”.

So many projects these days involve re-working or upgrading exisiting airframes, and lets face it once you’ve seen one F16/Tornado etc you’ve seen em all….unless you are lucky enough to fly in them and thus appreciate the new whiz-bang electronic kit they have squeezed into another small corner of the airframe and cockpit, or hung on the outside. Sorry, addition of a another couple of small aerials or bumps/blisters grafted onto a well known airframe simply doesn’t warrant the description “new type” to me.

And so many of the other types on show have been around for ages, but are still desperately trying to attract sales so they are dutifully trotted out again :rolleyes: .

As you say, flying displays are so distant that you need decent binoculars or mega-zoom lenses to watch/photograph them 🙁 , and last year many aircraft displayed twice, so the display appeared longer then it actually need have been:diablo: . Spectator car-parking is now all off site, so you have to be bus’d-in and out like sardines and lug all your stuff around with you all day, as you can’t pop back to your car to drop or collect anything during the day 😡 … ticket prices are getting steep.

2008 may well be the first year I don’t go in since 1972….the gloss has definitely worn off for me 🙁 . Perhaps an appearance by an F22 might lure me in, but can you imagine the levels of site security our US “friends” will demand before they let one participate – We’ll probably all have to strip naked for searches, and have our DNA tested and verified before they’ll let us in….

Farnbore Airshow – it just ain’t worth the hassle these days.

Bump – Any one see the Sunday Telegraph last w/end?

The property section carried a half page photo of Bentley Priory, including the GRP Spitfire replica on a pole, and quite a good article about the current plans to develop the place into seven or eight “top end” apartments 🙁 .

Various bodies are trying to save some of the more historically significant rooms, such as Dowdings office, from the developers, with plans to open them as a permanent BofB museum. Of course, this may not go down too well with those who wish to buy the proposed apartments, they won’t want the great unwashed hordes cluttering up the areas just outside their luxury pads…..

Seems likely some well heeeled merchant banker may end up with the awesome view over London as featured in the BofB film, when Dowding walks out onto his office balcony..:mad:

Not sure what we can do, except get behind the groups trying to save some of the place as a museum.

Paul F

Thanks everyone – I have updated the original post to reflect the right reg.

I am gutted she is not in one place – does anyone know if there are any in one piece and where we can go and see them.

Hi Streety,

Closest examples of Lightnings to Brighton are probably those at the Gatwick Aviation Museum (Formerly known as the Vallance Collection), at Charlwood near Gatwick Airport, they are later (Export) marks than the P1B you mention, but show how the Lightning evolved out of the P1A/B project. Not sure about opening hours though, try the website for details. You may find the examples there are under tarpaulins unless they are being actively restored by the volunteers on the day you go there – perhaps a call to the GAM contact number might help avoid disappointment?.

Alternately, next closest is probably the RAF Museum at Hendon, which has an RAF Lightning F6 on display (or it did last time I was there).

Failing those two options, look on the “Thunder and Lightnings” Website, which has excellent details of many British aircraft of the 50/60’s period. It has a section on Lightning, and a sub section detaillign all known survivors. Many UK aviation museums hold examples.

If you want to see Lightnings in action, then ground running happens periodically at Bruntingthorpe in UK, but to see one fly you need to go to South Africa (“Thunder City”). More details can be found on various websites, or by searching this forum.

Glad to see another Lightning fan living nearby!
Paul F

Do you like to gamble…?

If it had been stored at <5’C (i.e. in a refrigerator) for all the time, and presuming I was going to heat it to well above 70’C during preparation (by grilling/frying etc), then I’d risk it… but no responsibility for any adverse outcome accepted if you do 😉

Paul F