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  • in reply to: China's new Yuan-class submarine #2075419
    GoldenDragon
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    The difference between this photo and Hyperwarp’s,
    There is a Song on the left side. PSed?

    Almost impossible to PS an entire sub in with the amount of “noise” in the picture (streamers, flocking dock, and all of the other stuff that goes in front and behind of the subs.) There might be PSed portions but the two subs as a whole are real.

    Good picture to guage the size of the new sub. The Yuan looks to be the same overall size as the Song but with a much smaller sail and a wider, rounder cross section. Of course, a beamier craft would mean larger capacity. But not a huge difference in size which would be the case of a SSN compared to the Song.

    GoldenDragon
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    I use 3DS Max, Flex, but I would imagine that FEM analysis would require far more precise CAD formats. 3DS Max is mainly for artwork and entertainment.

    Of course, when you are talking .igs you’re talking CADs. I’m a former autocad guy and we used to live by .dwg/.dxf files 🙂 There are plugins in 3DS max to export to these and other formats.

    There are actually quite a few free models of F14, F16 as well as X-Wing Star Wars fighters on the web.(1) Mostly in the .3DS format. You should be able to look for conversion plugins for what ever program you’re working with.

    What FEM/fluid dynamics software to you have? Not a 30g CATIA program, do you? 😀

    Notes:
    (1) Try http://www.3dcafe.com/asp/aircraft.asp

    in reply to: FC-1 thread – (Prototype 03 onward) #2664155
    GoldenDragon
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    That circled bump is just the fairing for the wheel on the main gear.

    GoldenDragon
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    Nice, Erez. You’re getting better and better at this!

    in reply to: Pictures, news and speculation thread #2664190
    GoldenDragon
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    the US has a requirement that no military equipment is allowed to be exported until it has been in service with the US military for at least 10 years, i suspect china is employing a similar principle in regard to pakistan and the J10. hence, the birth of the FC1.

    There is another reason (and probably the core reason) for the FC-1: a plane that could be produced in Pakistan.

    According to “Aviation World” article both the greatest weaknesses and also the greatest potential have to do with its open and seemingly empty architecture. It could as basic or as potent as people are willing to spend in giving it weapons, avionics and engine. (And this is why the author urged the PLAAF to buy even though he just panned it of the article.)

    The FC-1 was, as said in the article, designed to the needs and abilities of the Pakistani industry which is not nearly as deep as China. The J-10 can’t be built in Pakistan in the near future. It’s that simple.

    But the FC-1, as Alan Warnes reported, can. In fact, it was designed to increase Pakistan’s “own indigenisation to such an effect that it could end up building any additional aircraft may order over the current agreed 150.”

    The FC-1 forms a basis for Pakistan’s a/c industry. There is little doubt in my mind that the PAF will eventual get the J-10 but the J-10 would just be another plane it buys.

    The FC-1 is different. It’s a national project for Pakistan like the Agosta or the incoming 053H are.

    in reply to: FC-1 thread – (Prototype 03 onward) #2664224
    GoldenDragon
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    Is that picture an official PAF release, Phrozen?

    in reply to: Eurofighter issues #2664562
    GoldenDragon
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    That article is actually a very good read and a rather important piece, IMHO.

    I didn’t know that the DA6 crash was because of the firing off of the afterburners (it was just engine failures in regular press reports) or that the EF’s FBW was an German project instead of the more experienced English.

    Perhaps, PILOTGHT, you would be better served by not having the flamy title and intro to this thread. The article is interesting and convincing on its own.

    in reply to: FC-1 thread – (Prototype 03 onward) #2664570
    GoldenDragon
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    Here’s another new pict of ptype 01

    in reply to: China's new Yuan-class submarine #2075475
    GoldenDragon
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    My rendering of the Yuan. Just eyeballed the pictures. I used the model posted above as a guide. Basically in the general shape of a kilo with the sail diving planes, T-shaped rudder ensemble and seven blade screw of the 039A/G.

    in reply to: Pictures, news and speculation thread #2664752
    GoldenDragon
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    The first operatinal J-10 unit should be the 44th Division in Yunnan province (at least 5 so far for 11 pilots). This has been confirmed by the PLAAF newspaper. That close-door display may have nothing to do with where the aircraft came from.

    The PLAAF newspaper confirmed the J-10?! When? Or did they just say a new type has been deployed with the 44th?

    in reply to: Pictures, news and speculation thread #2664761
    GoldenDragon
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    I just realized that the MKK would give a clue as to where this J-10 is located. I wondered why I didn’t think of it sooner.

    This is not an MKK belonging to the Flight Test Training Center in Cangzhou. Rather, #19 belongs to the 3rd Division in Wuhu, which is an elite group—first to recieve the Su-27s (#1-#25, now moved to the 19th), and first to recieve the Su-30MKKs (#1 to #19). #20 MKK onwards for the next 19 planes went to the FTTC.

    Being the first in everything new, it’s logical that the first operational J-10 group may be with the 3rd Division also.

    Now I just wonder how much of the MKK’s munition hardware can work with the J-10 too.

    Nice catch, Crobato! Sometimes it take a while for things to sink in 😀

    There was a picture of a bulk carrier being launched in Dalian next to warship being built that everyone was excitedly speculating could be the mythical 051C. Well, the carrier being launched had a name, the “Silver Dolphin,” and we needed to do was look up in the shipping registry when the Silver Dolphin launched

    *Smacks head*

    It wasn’t the 051C but DDG 167 being built in the early 1990s.

    Nice deduction, first by Hyperwarp and then you. This is the essense of PLA/N/AF watching 🙂

    Wow, the J-10 with the frontline 3rd Division; that’s a pretty big deal.

    Thanks Crobs 🙂

    in reply to: Definition of INDIGENOUS. #2665346
    GoldenDragon
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    The FC-1 has a Russian engine for now. There is no guarantee it will have a russian engine in the future, though it probably would have one in its first production run because the RD-93 is available and the prototypes – not necessarily the program – was designed with the RD-93 in mind.

    By necessity, the FC-1 is an open design. Read the highly critical Chinese-language “World Aviation” piece in the FC-1 thread. It’s open to practically to everything: engine, weapons, radar and even the flight-control system (we saw a switch from single axis FBW in ptype 01 to full FBW in ptype 02.)

    The open architecture means that, depending what you hang on it, it could suck to high heavens or be highly formidable (read Alan Warnes editorial in this month’s AFM; the FC-1 could revolutionize the cheap fighter.)

    If an embargo on engine, avionics and weapons occurred today, the FC-1 will still be built. Because Liyang coyld still build engines, NRIET could still build radars and Chengdu could still build airframes. None of them might be cutting edge “modern” but the industry could still produce aircraft. In fact, plans for different components between China and Pakistan already means there would be both JF-17 and FC-1 variants.

    Another example, the Y-7-100s of Laos Aviation have Chinese WJ-5 turboprops. But the Ma60s (Y-7 variant) of Szechuan Airlines have Pratt & Whitneys. So you have a Chinese firm using a Chinese plane with foreign components but a foreign firm using an all-Chinese plane. The reason is simply price.

    Now, there is no reason to believe that the Y-7 line would shut down if China no longer has access to PWs.

    An indigenous industry allows you to build planes on your own, pure and simple. Whether it’s state of the art is another matter.

    No Russian engines for the J-10 or J-11 means that Liyang, Chengdu or the other engine firms have better step up with the WS-10A. But even in the worse case scenario, China could still pump out J-8IIs, powered by WP-14s and armed with PL-11s, SD-10s and PL-9s starting tomorrow.

    in reply to: China's new Yuan-class submarine #2075511
    GoldenDragon
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    Harushio

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/images/harushio01_h.jpg

    in reply to: China's new Yuan-class submarine #2075513
    GoldenDragon
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    The world’s smallest SSN is the French Amethyst. It’s roughly the same size as a Song. Very doubtful that any other nation will be able to follow along the same path. The Amethyst is extraordinary especially the work put into its reactor.

    This “Yuan” is without doubt a SSK (by virtue of size and shipyard of origin.)

    The largest conventional subs are the Harushio and Zwaardvis and, frankly, those look a LOT bigger than the “Yuan” in the above pictures.

    This is a Harushio. It’s so big that it looks like a full-sized SSN.

    in reply to: China's new Yuan-class submarine #2075518
    GoldenDragon
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    Wuhan shipyard is SSK specific (Huladao makes the SSNs) so the new sub probably isn’t an upgraded Han.

    Hyperwarp is right, there is a difference between the two sails.

    As far as SSN technology transfering to SSKs: large conventional subs like the Zwaardvis, Harushio and Kilo (all over 3000 tons) do follow the SSN Albacore shape for speed and blue-water sea keeping. Smaller subs like the Song, Scorpene and Type 209 (~ 2000 tons) tend to have much less of the teardrop shape for greenwater environments since speed is not as important a factor.

    Anyone want take a guess at the Yuan’s tonnage? 🙂

    Eyeballing the few picts, I’d say it is bigger than a Song. But I’m not sure it’s bigger by a third, though.

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