Strevitel, you’ve finally made yourself useful by translating Russian. Too bad you never did that at CMF. Keep up the good work 🙂
J8II. People in the pictures give a good perspective on the size of the craft.
One of the clearest pictures yet of the Y-8 AWACS with the pancake dome. Solid nose and four blade propeller. Looks like it is a Y-8F400 platform rather than the newer Category III or Y-9 variants.
Supposedly a Chinese BVR AAM. Looks like a LY-60 derivative. Maybe an early PL-11 or PL-10 which was supposed to have developed from the LY-60.
Great pictures! Thanks for sharing!
Really, any embargo is beside the point! Iran does not have the legal right to copy the F-5……………… 😡
Legal “rights” belong to lawyers and courts. It means nothing unless they could be enforced.
If you’re under embargo, the security of your nation comes before the courts that reside elsewhere or any of the weasels from the legal profession who also reside elsewhere.
Personally I don’t see why they wouldn’t.
The US considers even a Chinese UN deployment to Haiti* or a Hong Kong company in the Panama as a “threat” never mind a military base.
Actually there is something in it for host nations. The US is paying 150 million USD a year for one of its bases there – I’ll look up which country its in.
Again, only the US and Russia have the carrot or stick to make it worthwhile for the host country in the region.
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GD’s Notes:
* http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040906-123723-3774r.htm
“The official says China’s first military presence near U.S. shores would boost Beijing’s long-term strategy to “supplant U.S. influence” in the region. … “They will assert political influence [through Chinese companies],” the official says. “That is where this is headed.”
Administration officials say the decision to permit the Chinese to join the U.N. force in Haiti was made quietly, without a full debate among defense, foreign policy and national security agencies. “
More like Iran didn’t want to make a direct copy which it has no right to without a license. So, it modifies and say hey it a totally new plane of our design!
A “license” is pretty much irrelevant when you’re under embargo. If you could make it then you make it.
It is about power projection in an area that has plagued the major world powers for decades. The difficult mountianous terrain in the bordering countries makes it an ideal location for terrorist or rebel camps. APCS or Armor are among the worst weapon to use especially as most roads are in valleys and easily ambushed. This is why Russia, India, the United States and China want airbases close to potential future targets in the area.
The only countries with “power projection” in the area are the US and Russia. Having a “base” in another nation is an expensive proposition both economically and diplomatically. You can’t have a base anywhere unless you are willing to provide the carrot (or stick) that will allow the host nation to accept you. You also need to expend diplomatic capital to protect the host nation from hostility incurred by your base.
The idea that Tajkistan is willing to allow itself to operate as a base for a marginal player outside of the US or Russia and open itself to a retaliatory attack from third parties is rather ludicrous. There is no gain in it for Tajikistan. The Tajik government itself had denied any base in their country other than that from Russia.
The reaction of the neighbors indicates that there are no bases in the area outside of Russia’s. There is no reaction.
Start off with the F-5 and J-85 and then move on to the F-4/J-79 and finally the F-14/TF30-414.
If you’re in the position of Iran where you’re embargoed, it is more than enough to simply be able make the planes never mind worrying about the technology level.
Besides, even if you had access to Eurofighters and Sukhois, it wouldn’t make a lick of difference if you’re faced with the US military.
If the Saeqeh is a new build then Iran can at least put up air frames to patrol its airspace as its current fleet ages.
* Politika reports that China is making moves to open a base in some former-Soviet ‘stan.
Absolutely not. China does not put bases in other countries. Not least of the reasons why is to keep the US from complaining of a Chinese “threat.”
China’s influence in the ‘Stans will come through the Shanghai Cooperative Organization.
GD,
I think you’re mixing up your F-5 variants. First of all, what flex said was correct….
Mixed up the F-5 two seat variants I did. I stand corrected.
Well, life expectancy “Yes” vs Capability “Maybe”. :rolleyes:
More like an ability to produce more aircraft versus a dwindling airworthy airframes.
It doesn’t matter if the new fighter is not significantly better than the F-5. The fact that Iran can build a new derivative of the F-5 is a world of difference from watching helplessly as the years wear away the Tiger II fleet.
Good post, Vikasrehman. The point about the future being the key. With introduction of the new F-16s and the JF-17, acquiring the J-10 would be a backburner project compared to the work of integrating a lot of new fighters in the immediate future.
By the time the PAF is ready for the J-10, the J-10 may well have matured to the point where it could exported without foreign parts.
If it is a new build and they have replicated the aircraft (with the obvious changes) and the J-85 engine then it would mean all the advantages of the world compared to the old airframes.