Anybody got latest news or development of this F-7MF?
Surprising chengdu produce FC-1 and now F-7MF,both budget aircraft but FC-1 will be more advance in aerodynamic with FBW.But I got a this feeling F-7MF if really materialise will be chosen PLAAF rather than FC-1 because everything will be indigenous while FC-1 still need to import foreign.Basically F-7MF is just a aerodynamic modification of J-7G with capable of higher payload,pylon,accomodate bigger radar.

The F-7MF has been discussed many times here. It is an inexpensive lightweight design that won’t give the PLAAF much more than another point defense aircraft even with BVR weapons and ground attack mode. The problem is range and that won’t change with redesigning the nose.

Also, the FC-1 is already deep into testing and so has a major leg up on the MF for the low end of the PLAAF fleet.

Contrary to some reports, I don’t believe a F-7MF prototype was ever made. The J-7FS (with a chin intake) was tested but not a full MF prototype.

Ok, for the happiness of Phantom, i sintetize:

Issue one: the chinese’s J 6 were armed with 2 or 3 guns?

There were many versions but most Chinese variants had two 30 mm cannons. The original licensed copies of the MiG-19SF had three.

two: were they armed also with Pls and if yes, how many of them?

The first J-6 version to have missiles was the “B” and it was armed by four PL-1 beamriders.

The all-gun J-6A was reworked in the 1970s for two PL-2s. The J-6A is the most common PLAAF/PLANAF variant.

tree: something about the real life cost compared with others supersonic jet like the F 5, the F 8 or the F 100? i mean, even if the maintenance was heavy, the operative costs weren’t necessarly so heavy as it could appear.

You need some research find out. Operation costs tend to go up with complexity in Western planes but East Bloc planes ran on different dynamics. Even simple planes like the MiG-19/J-6 ran required heavy maintenance and replacements.

The MiG-19 (as with ALL MiGs, including the MiG-29 and -31) used parts like water. The engines were designed to be built cheaply in massive numbers and was to be used and thrown away.

Who knows exactly how much this system of constant maintenance cost? Manual labor in the East Bloc was cheap. But at the same time we knew that the USSR went bankrupt from pouring 50% of its economy into the military.

four: someone has a overall datas about these jets?

The F-100 had several inconclusive encounters with MiG-17s but was used mainly for ground attacks. There was no record AA kill.

The J-6 in Chinese, Vietnamese and Pakistani service has about two dozen (more or less) confirmed kills and less than 10 losses.

The aircraft shot down by PLAAF/PLANAF J-6s include the F-4, F-104, A-6 and A-1. The PAF’s include Su-7s and Hunters as well as a MiG-21 claim. North Vietnam had at least 7 confirmed/highly probables F-4 kills.

BOIIING!

hope this will give our J-10 fetish guy Deino a hard-on …

I am waiting for it to finish loading so I too can have a hard-on . . .

I know of no other fighter since its day, except the British Lightning, where the design so greatly sacrificed manuverability for speed.

The MiG-25 Foxbat.

A militarized 737?

It would be nice if the Bush administration cancels the Chinese mega order of 60 7E7s and give the Chinese airlines no choice but to buy Airbus 😀

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050131-115544-1044r.htm

Conversions of jetliners in China draw attention

By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

The Bush administration is investigating whether China illegally converted Boeing commercial jetliners into a military surveillance aircraft in violation of U.S. export laws.
A Boeing 737 jetliner was photographed during a recent military exposition in Zhuhai, China, with what appeared to be a protruding radar dome, or “radome,” on the forward part of its fuselage. Authorities also are investigating a second photograph suggesting the modification of another jetliner.
“We have already begun looking into this matter,” said Eugene Cottilli, a spokesman for the Commerce Department’s Bureau of Industry and Security.
If the Chinese modifications violate U.S. export rules, penalties could range from fines to the imposition of economic sanctions on China that would bar purchases of U.S. aircraft worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
The radome is thought to house a special radar pod that monitors missile tests or might be used in military command and control operations, Bush administration officials said.
A State Department official involved in defense trade controls confirmed that the matter is under investigation. The official said commercial jets are permitted for export to China without a license, but that converting a civilian aircraft into a military jet is not allowed under U.S. export rules.
“It is unquestionably true that these jets could not have been sold to the Chinese military without a presidential waiver, which is very unlikely,” the official said.
In the case of China, all military sales have been blocked and any transfers require a presidential waiver of sanctions imposed after the 1989 military crackdown on unarmed protesters in Beijing’s Tiananmen Square, the official said.
Investigators have contacted Boeing and are trying to further identify the modified jets shown in photographs through tail numbers.
A Boeing spokesman had no immediate comment. A Chinese Embassy spokesman could not be reached for comment.
Officials announced last week that at least six Chinese airlines will order 60 Boeing 7E7 Dreamliners — twin-aisle aircraft that can carry up to 296 passengers nearly 9,800 miles — a deal worth about $7.2 billion.
Boeing estimates that China will buy 2,400 new jet aircraft worth an estimated $197 billion over the next 20 years. Sanctions blocking China from purchasing U.S. jets would have a major economic impact, analysts said.
Boeing said 15 state-owned Chinese airlines have purchased a total of 170 Boeing 737s between 1983 and 2004. An additional 46 are on order.

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Yes. The US blocked the sale of weapons to equip the ex USCG Reliance class boat now renamed P-621 by the SLN by NORINCO. Meaningless gesture and sheer pettiness.

All they wanted was a puny A-gun infront. The US offered the 57mm but they ain interested. Now all they will have is that old M1936 from the SLN Sayura!

Hmmm, makes you wonder about the chances of Chinese weapons like FD-60 being integrated with fighter of countries with relations to the US like Egypt or Pakistan. The FD-60 was specifically marketed as BVR weapon for US built planes like the F-4 and F-16 too.