The issue however is simply that we are all here biased China-fan-boys and as such soooooooo much unreliable. Even more there are reports that say it is 23m long, it is a dedicated striker like a F-111 and those must be correct.
Indeed, I ‘m again at the point of leaving the Kew-Forum, since – just look at this and the PAK-FA-thread – there are simply too many kids here, who not interested in facts, not interested in discussion and learning but simply on their own and bashing others opinion.
But hey … I’m biased !
Deino
this is why you’re biased Deino. you are cherry picking images to fit your agenda. sure. ignore all the HD quality pictures comparing them from the side.
cherry pick the top down, grainy pixelated low quality picture of the flanker and j-20.
its this pic that you base your 20M from, but you follow it so faithfullyOH LOOK, blow it up in and zoom in
Look how much space in measurement he gave the Flanker.
Sure, the yellow line on the J-20 goes right to the edge of the engine, but look at that huge gap on the flankers tail (maybe about 3-4 pixels), and the gap by the radome.Why don’t you put the j-20 side by side with the flanker. you will see its the same size
But even then my bias does not make the J-20 larger/longer than a Flanker. Maybe the same size like You say, but surely not a 23m-monster.
So You accuse me of being biased since I don’t use a HD-image that is not available, while in return You take any random link, old source or a HD-image of a F-22 without any scale reference … And You are not biased ? You rate Yourself objective ??
Come on, we all have our bias, our favourites and prejudice, but the J-20 can never be longer than a J-15 regardless how much sharper or less blurred a GE image is.
If You show me a HD-image showing right to scale both a Flanker and a J-20 then the J-20 will be at best about the same size —but again it won’t be larger and never 23m long.
I thought You were smarter, but ok. … I’m biased and this is an apple since a strange link just told You.
Fine … to accuse one as being ignorant, a fan-boy indeed prevents You from thinking logically ??
YES, I can google and even find tiny little green men landed on Earth and other strange things but why is my favour on the J-20 that You don’t seem to share so much a reason not for You too in return, to try to find the truth??
Indeed my image based on GE is blurred, regardless the blur and given a length of the J-15 as a fix, then Your 23m-long should be longer by a wide margin than the Flanker … and it is strangely not.
As such … You do not need to share my like, but You should at least be realistic and rational: How could the J-20 be shorter than a J-15 if the J-15 is only 21+ m long ???
Deino
no that’s just you being oversensitive.
The J-20 is flat, but not extremely long.
no, the images are quite accurate. note that you didn’t even bother trying to include the f-22 image in yours, let alone the right kind of scale.
J-20 is more likely 23 meters, as confirmed by many sources like
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=860
Sorry … if I’m over-sensitive, then You are over-ignorant and I’m not sure how relevant it is to search for the original F-22 image.
It’s simply some sort of math …
Not sure what obscure link You just found to bake You claim, but most sources say it is about 20,30 (Wiki) or 20,35 m long. Just look at this image … otherwise You surely claim this J-15 is only a sub-scale model.
no, the sides are the worst. you can see how absurdly long it is. look at it compared to an f-22 juxtaposed with the j-20
Sorry, but sometimes I have the feeling You simply need something to mock ! The J-20 is flat, but not extremely long.
Use at least some realistic dimensions. The F-22 is 18,90m long and the J-20 about – based on a comparison to a J-15 side-by-side – about 20,35m … so this is about 1,45 or 1,50 m longer And not as shown in You completely off image.
Anyway … beauty is otherwise always in the eye of the beholder.
Deino
@ JSR … You are indeed living in Your own world of phantasy ! Could You please leave all this political BS out of this forum; it’s simply annoying.
Anyway …
And now there are already two grey ones + a yellow one.
:applause:
:love-struck::love-struck::love-struck:
Today even three J-20s were seen at CAC….
From the news thread (link provided by Tango III)
http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/09/current-lockheed-test-pilot-says-china.html?m=1
You really believe in this dated and completely wrong image !??
By the way … it’s so much funny to read such comments:
It basically is a copy as China stole TERAbytes of F-35 data and they pieced together the basic tenets of stealth technology and apply them to its modern aircraft designs.
… even more since some Russian fan boys in return claim it to be a copy of the 1.44 ! :highly_amused:
Anyway …
Deino
Slowly looking like a real carrier !
Another new J-20A spotted at CAC today …
Island liften on Type 001A today …
Comparing some of the design features of a 5th gen stealth aircraft with the Pak Fa is entirely valid.
You just don’t like the idea that all the hype that the critics have leveled on the Pak Fa about the air intakes is being cleanly nullified.
No, surely not and I wish the PAK-FA all the best.
What I simply do not like is that typical overhyping of some here especially since some things are simply so much clear since years that to repeat them again ad nauseam simply does not makes any sense !
Deino