who cares about the length. I don’t see why you guys went two pages arguing over a 2 meter difference.

what I want to know is

will the j-20 ever be made for export (like say to Pakistan).

and are the rumors true the Chinese don’t want the J-31?
and if so why?

this is more interesting

You are indeed correct, it is no longer a discussion on length ! I never claimed it to be 18m – that’s simply a lie – and I also ever admitted, that my estimation based on a very grainy and blurred GE-image is only an estimation.

BUT … and here we are on the centre of this issue: It’s a matter on how You discuss, what You say and what others say, how You quote and maybe even if You are simply able to admit that Your estimation was wrong.

I for myself said never the 20,35m – and that’s what I said – is a fix and as such; YES I was most likely wrong with 20,35m. But the 23m-claim some certain members still hold a valid length is simply stupid. Even more since he constantly ignores augments, avoids a discussion and only brings personnel accusations or plain stupid images, that simply can’t be compared.

As such instead of a final agreement to say between 20,50 and 21,50 he accuses others of pure false things.

That tells You either a lot on this members abilities to think and argue but maybe even more about mentality, character and will to take part on a civilised discussion.

Concerning Your next question: Again only IMO the J-20 will never be exported, not to Pakistan and surely not in a navalised version to their Navy. Simply forget that.

Deino

Here is my 2nd attempt,

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Interesting attempt even if for my feeling You cut the radome of the J-15 a bit too much. If You look at several images as the one attached, the grey part between canopy and radome is nearly twice the length of the radome itself even without the pitot. In Your image it is only about a bit longer han the part from canopy to radome.
Anyway it clearly shows that the J-20 is never 23 m long as claimed by some self-proclaimed specialists and even if my first try was surely not correct and only a rough estimation, it is only 1 m more but still more than 1,70m less than the alleged 23m.

Therefore just as latenlazy suggested I would love to see his own attempt with a similar image or a better one if available. There’s simply no way to reach 23m as he claims … and by the way I never suggested anything on 18m.

Deino

We have a former engineer from Airbus on air-defense (owning a blog about china, “East Pendulum”) who lived a long time in China and still has good contacts there. They told him that J-20 is an air superiority asset that butchered J-10 during oppositions.

Yes I know him (Henry K.) from several forum, also his site and I admire not only his contacts but even more his ability to analyse …

Therefore You don’t need to tell me what I already know … it seems as if a few others are in desperate need to learn: 23m long mega-monster, long-range striker, J-9 or even MiG-1.44-offspring; but some simply do not want to learn.

Anyway …

Deino

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I don’t know why one would question Deino. Clearly Chinese aircraft and developments are his primary interest, but I have never seen any evidence of bias. Perhaps you two have some kind of history — I know how that works. But I am currently running a 39.2 degree fever and it is all very tiring.

Thanks for Your kind words … and all the best for a soon recover !

By the way back to topic: Some new images appeared of Chinese latest helicopter programs – both the Z-18A and finally clearer images of the Z-20 !

Deino