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Its the same as the AL-31F, main difference is the position of gearbox.
Thanks for the quick reply and I know that they are the same … but my question is what’s the diameter on the widest part of the nozzle, where it joins the fuselage?
However even better would be to know the yellow one.
Just to be sure – Your data-sheet gives for “Maximum dimension, mm 1180” … s this the pat I’m looking or that black ring just before ?
Deino
Can anyone help ??
Do we know the external diameter of the AL-31F/FN’s nozzle?
Thanks in advance,
Deino
Well is there even a picture/vid of three or more J-20 seen together at the same time?
And which one of those.. 12 J-20 was seen at the Airshow?
:p
but why did the US allow Israel all these other tech transfers to China like the Python and Lavi
The question could be expanded to: Why can Israel nearly do whatever it likes … ??
23M is much closer to 22M than your 19M 😉
or in other words, Flanker sized (carrier).so, can we go back to being lovers again? <3
When You begin to quote me correctly, then YES.
Again my estimation was 20,35m .. NOT 19 ! I really don’t know where You got this 19m from ???
its on! everyone’s favorite flanker sized stealth jet will now be official.
so what guesses here will be proven correct
what will be proven wronglength
s-ducts
bay capacity
thrust
IMO not the Su-35’s but a version based on the AL-31FM2 … if anyone’s interested; at least a theory:
By the way, Nice that You no longer insist on 23m ! 😀
Hmm … did they ran out of paint on the front section ???
But it’s all semantics only, I guess we all know exactly what I’m having in mind and the large amount of work done on adaptation of the J-10 on the Al-31FN is undisputed.. Case closed..
AMEN !
It seems the planes used for the Zhuhai demo was not an LRIP bird but a prototype.
Why do You think so ?
this is a thread about the j-10, take your horrible tejas artwork elsewhere
Byoin … please do Your homework: This is not the Tejas, but the South African Atlas Carver.
Go through that post of mine and find me a single word clone or copy in it.. Then we can bicker about nonsense..
No problem … but You are correct, You said nothing of J-10 = Lavi-clone, but You even said:
A claim J-10 = Lavi is not idiotic.
Which means You agree that a J-10 = Lavi !! Or am I wrong?
If You see it in the sense of Mathematics this claim is even more “nonsense” … but I think we both have the same understanding in that issue but simply discussing on the exact meaning of a certain word.
Is it really worth all that mess ?
Deino
A claim J-10 = Lavi is not idiotic. The fact is the J-10 would look exactly as Lavi if China had a possibility to procure PW1120 or F100 engines. But they didn’t. So they went for the closest available solution which was the Al-31FN – 34 in longer, 10 in larger in diameter and over 600 lb heavier – but also almost 7,000 lbf more powerful (AB setting). That required a complete rework of the lightweight Lavi – elongated and beefed up structure, completely new air inlet ducts and powerplant attachment points, modified bleed management and air-conditioning ducting system, enlarged fuel tanks, modified fuel lines and hydraulic systems, stronger landing gear, everything had to be adapted for the monster which is the Saturn engine compared to the PW1120. That is why, in the end, the J-10 looks visibly different from the Lavi, but it is still the same pedigree.
Sorry, but that claim is pathetic ! You note Yourself it uses a larger engine with a wider diameter ?? … and still say it is a copy, a clone??
Maybe we should check what definition for clone we use, but for me a copy is a 1:1-copy and so it is none. Even if You upscale a Lavi You don’t match the J-10.
And the fact that it would probably if, if, if is still not a reason to call it a copy.
I agree that the J-11-series is a clone of the original Su-27SK even if much refined, the same with several other Chinese types, but the J-10 is simply not a copy.
Again I don’t deny any relations, any direct connections in its development … but at least per the definition I gave above it is not.
In the end I can agree with You: “the J-10 looks visibly different from the Lavi, but it is still the same pedigree.” Exactly what I said in my comparison with the YF-17 development to the F/A-18E/F … and no one would call the Super-Hornet a copy of the Cobra ?? Or am I wrong?
Deino
some good arguments on why J-10 is not lavi
Oh come one and does not make a fool out of Yourself. I know there are many idiots out there claiming the J-10 = Lavi and that is plain stupid as well.
However no-one with the slightest bit of common sense and esp. in mind of the facts can ignore that they are some sort of brothers. Surely more evolved than the F/A-18A-D to the F/A-18E/F but probably comparable to the evolution from the original YF-17 to the latest Super Hornet.
Deino
PS:
PS: just found this, but again without any details
http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2016/10/25/662267-voennih-aviadvigatelei-rossii
So we don’t know if they are to replace older F-models in the J-11A or FN for additional J-10C or even something new for the J-20 ?
China just bought 224 D-30-KP2 engines for its transport fleet.
And there are also reports about a similar contract concerning 100 additional AL-31 – but not mentioning the specific version – since yesterday … does anyone of our Russian friends have a (sorry to say so) better or more reliable source than this Japanese link ?
http://www.excite.co.jp/News/chn_soc/20161030/Recordchina_20161030007.html
I think the Russian media would not ignore this deal if it is true? … or will they wait until Zhuhai?
Deino