I hope no one minds if i hijack this thread into something more meaningful. …

Thanks … and a good idea !

But since this tread leads no nothing wouldn’t it be better to post and discuss this question in the regular PLAAF-tread ???

It esp. fits quite nicely to the currently ready-for-delivery J-10Bs at CAC:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?125099-Chinese-Air-Power-Thread-17/page43

Deino

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You simply don’t get it ! Proofing anything with unreliable or even worse completely wrong “sources” is way wrong ! … not even the designations of missile types You use are correct …

Deino

To admit I don’t know what’s Your true intention behind this post, but using unreliable sources and even more dated or plain wrong information is surely not the best way to proof anything.

First of all KANWA and even more in combination with WantChinaTimes.com is surely the best way to tear down even the final bit of reliability one has as a member here … as such the only proof You give with this post is Your intention to troll !

Anyway let’s stick to Your post….

China has tried to import Russian AESA radar but failed. They can design AESA radar (thanks to Ukraine and Russia as well as Isaerl) for large ships, AWACS, but the design of miniature circuit AESA radar standard GaN MMICs (in the military) China not likely. I know fanboy china will take a few examples in the civilian sector as Ka-band MMIC nitride semiconductor (or can be copied) http://www.semiconductor-today.com/features/PDF/SemiconductorToday_SeptOct_KaBandNMMIC.pdf. But most AESA radar is located at L-band frequencies (N050) and X-band (APG-77). Another example of Chinese supercomputer but they use Intel Xeon chip, radar N050 using chip 2S + Elbrus, APG-77 radar used i960MX chip. Any names or prototype chip of AESA radar KLJ-5 (J-20) !!

It’s all speculation … and even more I don’t know if we ever will learn the name of the J-20’s radar processor ! You are correct: I do not know the exact designation of the J-10B’s, the J-15 or -16’s radar nor the processors they use … but what else ? To we know that from every other type in the West ?
By the way while other AF widely report about what kind of AESA they use and “will” use (not often correct as shown with the Russian T50), the PLAAF simply does not report at all … or at best by some secretly hidden bits and pieces … that does not mean they are not working on or with it already.

China to buy 5,000 Russian air-to-air missiles

Since China’s domestic air-to-air missiles such as the PL-12, the SD-10A and the PL-9C were designed based on technology from Ukraine and are still unable to compete against US counterparts, the People’s Liberation Army realizes that it needs the more advanced Russian missiles to go head to head against the US and Japan in any potential future air combat, Roku wrote. He said China has already bought 1,500 R-77 missiles and 3,300 R-73 missiles from Russia.

China to buy 5,000 Russian air-to-air missiles: Japanese report｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

Sorry again, but WantChinaTimes.com is in general as much reliable as the German “Bild” in regard to international politics or business … even more it mixes designations (the SD-10A is the PL-12’s export version), or is plain wrong: the PL-9 is an export weapon, the PLAAF uses the PL-8 which is a licenced Python III … and where is written that they “will buy” 5000 missiles only since the “bought” the older types ???

Russia won’t sell China radar system for J-20 stealth jet

Russia has rejected the idea of providing China with a radar system suitable for fifth-generation stealth fighters like the Chengdu J-20, according to Kanwa Defense Review, a Chinese-language military magazine published in Canada.

Russia won’t sell China radar system for J-20 stealth jet: Kanwa｜Politics｜News｜WantChinaTimes.com

Funny, this is simply the idea of a reporter here and not the PLAAF’s wish ! As such since the USA are rejecting the faked idea to sell the PLN one USS Nimitz class carrier is surely proof that the PLN is way behind the USN … again only a piece of bad reporting; typical Kanwa-style.

Another proof, the Chinese do not have the ability to design the semiconductor, IC best small (micro), they can copy the shape but quality very poor. The most obvious example, China has a lot of SAMs and A2A however with 5 missiles shared a homing seeker head AMR-1 include: PL-10/11/12, HQ-61C, TY-60 has shown the ability to fabricate miniature electronic components in China is very low

Another plain wrong BS … not even worth to bother: the PL-10 is an ASRAAM-like SR-AAM, the PL_11 is a development of the Italian Aside, a SARH-AAM and the PL-12 is an AMRAAM-like ARH-AAM … they simply can’t use the same seeker !

most of them use the older generation aircraft
PLAAF 2015

And a plain wrong dated file … I don’t know why Flight International still uses these data, but alone the number of JH-7 and J-10 is plain wrong, the PLAAF does not use a MPA-version of the B737 – it is a command post. The number of EW-Y-8 aircraft is wrong again … this list is not even worth to read.

Anyway You are in one point correct: the PLAAF has an age-issue with its combat fleet, but given the numbers of J-10 and J-11 in all versions joining the fleet during the last years, they are indeed in a much better position than many other air arms around the world.

All the best,
Deino

I have never seen so much wrong in a single statement.

Simply JSR is back in “Russia wonderland” again … :dev2:

Most recent image I found …

Argentila will not get any western fighter, this is fact. They could forget about Saudi F-5. KSA is vassal state of US and UK, they will not sell them to Argentina. They could only buy Russian or Chinese jets and the best option for them is Su-30 or MiG-29M or from China J-10 or J-16.

Agreed … but again there remains the question of cost … so IMO this alone excludes “Su-30 or MiG-29M or from China J-10 or J-16” (I don’t think China will ever sell any of its Flanker-versions) … and that leaves only the JF-17 !

To admit we should rename this tread – esp. the last posts – a pure what-if !

What if Argentina would have enough money … what would then be the best option ??? … surely an interesting discussion, but I do not understand why still a few are so obsessed by this BS-report about the Su-24 ?

Anyway all the best for 2015 and a happy new year.
Deino

I think we can leave this stupid guesswork … it has be confirmed only a JOKE and typically for the ‘exclusive’ newspapers unnoticed joke:

This news was released on “Dia des los Inocentes” which is April Fools in Latin America.

In Spain, Hispanic America, and the Philippines,[citation needed] December 28 is still a day for pranks, equivalent to April Fool’s Day in many countries. Pranks (bromas) are also known as inocentadas and their victims are called inocentes; alternatively, the pranksters are the “inocentes” and the victims should not be angry at them, since they could not have committed any sin. Media like newspapers, radio, and TV often give fake content or distort news as well.

Deino