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  • in reply to: Sino-russian wide body airliner #487927
    Deino
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    A few more news …

    http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Regional/2014/11/07/China-looking-to-develop-big-passenger-plane/

    China looking to develop big passenger plane

    SHANGHAI, Nov 07, 2014 (AFP) – China is seeking suppliers to develop its own wide-body passenger plane over the next decade, industry executives told AFP, expanding its ambitions and rivalry with Boeing and Airbus.

    The proposed aircraft – tentatively called the C929 – would be state-backed Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China (COMAC)’s largest, according to suppliers that have held discussions with the firm.

    It would be a substantial advance on the smaller 158-168 seat narrow-body C919 it is currently developing and the 78-90 seat ARJ21 regional jet, which is undergoing test flights. The goal is for the C929 – which could carry several hundred passengers at a time on journeys across Asia – to take flight after 2020, possibly in 2023.

    COMAC’s ambitions will be on parade at China’s premier airshow, which opens Tuesday in the southern city of Zhuhai, with a huge stand highlighting the C919 and a flying display by a prototype ARJ21.

    The technological challenges for China to build its own passenger plane are formidable, with some comparing them to the difficulty of sending a mission to the moon. But the government considers developing a passenger aircraft industry a national priority that would vault it into an elite club of just a handful of nations. At the same time Russia has drawn closer to its ally China in the face of Western sanctions over Ukraine and following two years of discussions, the two countries signed an agreement in May to develop what Chinese state media call the “big plane”.

    COMAC’s strategic partner for the C929 is Russia’s United Aircraft Corp., created in 2006 when Moscow combined the assets of the country’s largest state-owned aircraft manufacturers, which have decades of experience. “Russia and China have been working together, figuring out things, now they’re ready to start talking and getting ideas from suppliers,” said Briand Greer, president of aerospace for Asia-Pacific for US firm Honeywell, which already provides components and systems for both the C919 and ARJ21.

    COMAC is floating ideas about the design of the plane ahead of making formal information requests to prepare a tendering process, industry sources said. “We have been talking about this new project, the 929,” said another supplier to the C919, who declined to be named. “They have started with design of the plane. They are talking beyond 2020 (for the launch),” he said.

    One possibility for the wide-body – which has two passenger aisles – is a plane capable of flying within Asia for journeys of up to around five hours, industry officials said, but not for lengthy intercontinental flights of 12 to 14 hours. Such a concept would compete with the planned regional version of the Airbus A330, they said, which will enter service early next year. Planes in the A330 family hold 200-400 passengers. Boeing’s wide-body offerings include its 767 and 787.

    COMAC did not respond to requests for comment by AFP. China has dreamed of building its own civil aircraft since the 1970s when Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong’s wife and a member of the notorious “Gang of Four”, personally backed the attempt to develop the Y-10. Only three of the lumbering planes were ever built. But with its deep pockets China can now tap foreign companies, some of them already suppliers to Boeing and Airbus. The C919, which has a range of up to 5,555 kilometres (3,444 miles), is scheduled to make its first test flight at the end of next year, with deliveries planned for 2018, according to state media, although some doubt the company will meet the target. “It’s a national agenda, it’s going to happen,” Greer said of the C919. “Timing – we’ll see.”

    Its engines are made by CFM International, a venture between France’s Safran group and US industrial giant General Electric (GE). COMAC has 400 orders for the C919, most from domestic customers with the exception of GE Capital Aviation Services – a subsidiary of GE. The ARJ21 regional jet claims 253 orders but the project is years behind schedule, with deliveries originally due in 2009. COMAC plans to certify the ARJ with China’s own civil aviation authority before year-end but approval from the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is necessary before it can fly in most countries.

    The C919 has just started being assembled at a sprawling complex next to Shanghai’s Pudong Airport, where workers in blue uniforms fit together pieces of the fuselage, industry officials and media reports say. Elsewhere on the vast tract of land, COMAC planners have already reserved space for a yet-unbuilt factory to house the C929.

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    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2264949
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    Thanks … but maybe better simply back to the topic !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsWW4Ck7DV0

    Deino

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2264955
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    Russian aviation thread is full of criticism about things we are unhappy with procurement or “state-of-affairs” wise, it’s just this criticism is silly as 30 seconds of investigation with Google prove Chinese birds using the same construction method look no better.

    You still don’t get it ! The critics You mention is organisational stuff but not technically and as such these harsh words from a few here are simply since they felt as someone attacked their beloved topic, airplane and so on. In my very first post of this long and utterly useless discussion I only mentioned – go and look if You like, I especially modified it right after the discussion turned hot to make it clearer – that the build or construction quality of this particular Su-35 under the light-conditions shown in this image is not what I expected. If some can’t accept this or even more take this as an insult or like Lt. A. felt as being “Russian bashing” is beyond my understandings. I never said that Chinese are better – at least in the images I used they are not worse on this particular J-10 in this particular image under these particular light-conditions … nothing more but also nothing less.

    I never said anything the Su-35, it is probably the last and best fourth generation fighter to be build … but is that so difficult to understand or accept ?

    Deino

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2264965
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    Nice, russian bashing in a chinese military aircraft topic.
    Keep on the good work.

    I think we really should end this stupidity, since it is not Russian bashing … it’s only sad that not even a remark can be made that includes at least some kind of critics or not a cheer; sad, very sad indeed.

    Deino

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265412
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    Reminds me of the discussion on SDF when it was build quality of Chinese warships under the spotlight. That discussion was amply put to bed with the following image of Mistral hull under right photographic conditions:

    I expect the same is true here.

    Thanks … so we can agree on this and end the debate !

    Back to this “something big, bigger than J-10 and Y-20” … I must admit this rumor went completely by unnoticed by me ! Can You explain a bit more ??

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265480
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    Dude, chill, stop shouting. Everyone else is calm.

    1: You claimed that the build quality on that Su-35S is meh. That might or might not be a fair point.
    2: You tried to support your claim by posting pictures of J-10 that looks “smooth” or “better” (debatable)
    3: I said that i could post pictures of Su-35S that looks better than the original Su-35S picture in question, and your J-10 pictures.

    Point being; it depends on the picture, angle, paint, light and whatnot. Your J-10 pictures prove absolutely nothing.

    Exactly what I said – and even noted in advance that I wanted to avoid a R vs. C clash – and I fully agree on Your points, but why do You or a few others right after I posted my remark felt instantly attacked ?? I made a remark and I explained and even if we find other images of Russian birds looking fine (I never denied) and we surely find images of Chinese J-10 looking bad (I also never denied to be not so) … what was wrong with stating that the build quality shown on this image on this Su-35 is simply “not so top notch” aka IMO plain bad ?!

    Can we at least agree on this ?

    Deino

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265568
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    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265604
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    And your point is? I have plenty of pictures that show Su-35S being baby smooth (including my own pictures).

    My point was simply to mention – and like I said surely not to light up another Russia vs. China contest – that the building quality is not as I expected. When Trident asked about a J-10 I simply searched two close-up images and even if I agree there are images of Su-35 looking like a baby poo and even if I admit it depends on colours and light and even more the age of the particular airframe, the J-10 I found looks – IMO – better or at least not worse that this particular Su-35. So what’s YOUR point !?

    But if anyone thinks it might be forbidden to express my surprise about these weldings and rivets I will revert my statement and say that the building quality of a Russian Su-35 is plain excellent.

    … I think here are some other’s who can’t accept anything that can be interpret negative.

    Deino

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265735
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    That close up, a J-10 doesn’t look any better.

    Hmmm … really not better ! Not even a bit !??

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265768
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    Su-35 arrived to Zuhai.

    http://i.imgur.com/Mmx1wrV.jpg

    To admit – and I surely do not want to open up again a heated debate whether pro and contra the Russian and/or Chinese industrial base – but I’m surprised or even shocked by the building quality on this Su-35 shown under these light-conditions in this image … or the lack of it !:apologetic:

    Deino

    in reply to: Chinese Air Power Thread 17 #2265904
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    Just arrived at Zhuhai …..

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2265911
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    😡 By the way we again completely OFF-TOPIC !!!! 😡

    This is the one to discuss

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2266376
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    In my opinion we should not overrate this – surely amazing nice – CG. The original one was done prior or just right after the J-31 was unveiled and they included a lot of “might look like” items.

    Deino

    in reply to: RuAF News and Development Thread part 13 #2266820
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    Anyone with an idea on this modified Yak-130 ???

    https://pp.vk.me/c619426/v619426431/190b8/efbXH455wEc.jpg

    in reply to: Shenyang J-21/31/F-60/AMF thread part 1 #2211057
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    ….. ohhhh … :love-struck::love-struck::love-struck:

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