DeinoHmmm … sounds interesting, but honestly “use[ing] its current MiG-35 platform as a “foundation”” could only mean something like a stealthyfied Super-Fulcrum – similar to the Superhornet – and as such not a real fifth generation type or it is meant technology-/avionics-wise ?!!
Deino
DeinoHey now it makes perfectly sense – and IMO even more than an IFR-testbed – why this Tu-204C was assigned to the CFTE !
http://v.ifeng.com/mil/mainland/2014005/01818124-577e-4fc1-b4fd-87bd0aecca27.shtml
Deino
PS: The aircraft in question is a Tupolev Tu-204-120CE – cn. 1450743664030 powered by RR RB211-535E4B with serial B-2871 assigned to the China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE) ant Xi’an-Yanliang.
It was originally RA-64030 operated by the Tupolev Design Bureau (08-1999) … after that it was operated by “Air China Cargo” (27-10-2008) and following a long time in storage at Tianjin it was finally delivered to the CFTE in May 2011.
First rumours about a future use were ranging from an EW-conversion to a testbed to evaluate a new IFR-system but now we know its real purpose ….
DeinoHey now it makes perfectly sense – and IMO even more than an IFR-testbed – why this Tu-204C was assigned to the CFTE !
http://v.ifeng.com/mil/mainland/2014005/01818124-577e-4fc1-b4fd-87bd0aecca27.shtml
Deino
Deinolink not working Tango
Just add a www … http://www.janes.com/article/38524/first-chadian-mig-29-seen-in-the-air
Deino…
Interestingly the 11 is flying with full ECM but ONLY short range missile. Perhaps it give a hint on the way the higher command is managing the crisis.
Hmmm … interesting, but reportedly that J-11 carried one (or even two R-77) between the intakes !
DeinoWhat are you talking about? That is nonsense to put mildly.
Especially in front of the real, and massive issues China is having with both of its projects.
JSR maybe full of it, don’t go down the samepath.
You are correct, my tone was too agressive, maybe even provacative … BUT isn’t it theerefore wrong.
Following the latest reports published in the Air International (by Piotr Butowski) the SSR nneds to be redesigned … not sure about the real designation but it seems at least so and the fcat that China – here You are correct – has some severe issues with the ARJ-21 and is already delayed with the C919 is not the point. Point is, what I tried to say ….
SSJ as much competitive as anything else in that class with 12% composite in aerostructure. airplane certified with 4 prototypes in 2 years. the same performance as Boeing did with 20 airplanes and $32b.
MS-21 has 40% composite structure. the highest in its class. both A320NEO and B737NG has far less composite. so how you know it is falling behind anything?. infact components developed for MS-21 can be used for SSJ. that’s new way of developing airplanes. first developed all the components and than fly the plane.
10% composite is barely touching SSJ and that was project of shoe string budget time from a decade ago. and offcourse cost has to be brought down. why costs need to be brought down by comac?
… I do not want to downgrade the Russian technology and even in mind of the older designs like Tu-204 and Il-69 all hampered by political, financial and so on issues, it is simply not an issue of high composites percentage or a new so far undeveloped engine with superior statistics, it’s a matter of performance and reliability into a seller and its products. It’s a matter of livecircle-service and maintainance, a matter of numbers sold to foreign customer and as such simply a matter thrust, respect and maybe even faith.
As such I highly daubt that even with superior performance (at least on paper) the MS-21 will be not even as succesful as the A.320neo or B737MAX even with maybe slightly higher prices or lower performance (which I don’t expect).
And regarding this new airplane: If it indeed has to compete with the 787/777 and A35, when will it appear on the market ? What sum will be invested into this project for the next years ??? … and tell me one mayor international carrier that will buy it from an so far unknown design team ??
Deino
DeinoRussia has active project 2020. that covers both long haul and medium haul and all the way to supersonic technologies.
http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2013/10/21/266123.html
http://rt-chemcomposite.ru/en/novosti/1931China neither has the money or technology to contribute to this project. it is same kind of announcements that Russian routinely make about Indian participation in PAKFA.
once you look at C919/MS21 project comparision that China should not even enter into Civilian airline projects.
Sorry, but again Your typical propaganda.
“China neither has the money or technology to contribute to this project” … but especially money-wise surely more than Russia. Or give me a break, where are these high- and fast flying civil projects from Russia, that are so much comparative and even more competitive to the products from Airbus and Boeing ??? The Sukhoi RRJ falls off behind all Western reginal types is is repeatedly under redesign to archive what it once promised … IMO these are the same lame “kind of announcements that Russian routinely make about” their new carrier batle groups, a MiG-31 successor, the new long range bomber …. and so on and esp. in the civil sector this list is even longer and an even bigger shame for Russia.
As such I’m really interested in what will come out of Your proposed super-duper MS-21 – already by now falling far off behind the latest Airbus and Boeing types – which tries just now to archieve what Airbus and Boeing did already decades ago.
Therefore fogive me to be more than seceptical if I’m not as excited like You when I read – one again and again – that Russia will develop a “[wide-body, long-range aircraft] to compete with American and European-manufactured aircraft.”
I really do not want to bash on Russia, its Aerospace procucts and esp. former products, but we should be realistic to post such statements …
Deino
DeinoHere are more … PAK-FA T50-3 and -4 began with weapon tests on external pylons:
DeinoAny idea what size this bird will have or for what market it is designed for ??? Will it be a competitor to the A350 / B787 or still smaller between the C919 / MS21 and the larger ones mentioned above ?
Deino
DeinoGuys, can we please com back to the topic, which is the Pakistan Air Force !???
Actually French Mirage F1, MICA, HMS, Marocco simply to not fit here.
Deino
Deino:eek::eek::eek: via ‘ladioussupp’ (SDF)
ChengFei – JiCheng restructured to buy 100% of SAC, CAC, and Hongdu group.
http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/2014-05/19/c_126515981.htm
… and via ‘A.Man’ (SDF):
Chengdu Aircraft Industrial Group Purchases 100% Shares of Shengyang Aircraft Company, 100% Shares of Chengdu Aircraft Company and 100% Shares of Hongdu Aircraft Company
成飞集成(002190)18日晚间公告，公司拟采取发行股份购买资产的方式，由成飞集成向中航工业、华融公司及洪都集团三家资产注入方定向发行股份，购买沈飞集团100%股权、成飞集团100%股权及洪都科技100%股权，标的资产预估值达158.47亿元。在此次重组完成后，成飞集成主营业务将变更为以歼击机、空面导弹等研制为主。
公告称，成飞集成本次重大资产重组拟采取发行股份购买资产的方式，由成飞集成向中航工业、华融公司及洪都集团三家资产注入方定向发行股份，购买沈飞集团100%股权、成飞集团100%股权及洪都科技100%股权。同时，本次重组还将实施配套融资，即成飞集成拟向中航工业、华融公司、中航飞机、中航机电、中航投资、中航科工、中航电子、中航技、航晟投资及腾飞投资非公开发行股份募集现金，配套融资总额不超过本次交易总额的25%。
作为此次重组标的沈飞集团、成飞集团和洪都科技三者资产预估值高达158.47亿元。交易完成后，中航工业及其下属企业将合计持有本公司约141，370.80万股股份，约占发行后公司总股本的87.37%，而中航工业仍为本公司控股股东及实际控制人。
公告显示，沈飞集团2012年和2013年净利润分别为3.7亿元和2.9亿元，成飞集团2012年和2013年净利润分别为2.5亿元和3.7亿元，而作为上市公司平台的成飞集成近两年归属母公司股东的净利润则分别为5445万元和4535万元。
公司表示，本次资产注入后，上市公司的资产规模、盈利能力将得到大幅提升；公司得以整合中航工业防务装备业务板块雄厚的技术资源、市场资源以及优秀的人力资源，通过丰富产品类型、延伸产业链条、形成协同效应，增强公司抗风险能力，进一步提升公司的可持续发展能力和综合竞争力。
公司股票自2014年5月19日开市时起复牌。
Auto Translation:
Integrated into the fly (002,190) 18 evening announcement, the company intends to approach the issue of shares to buy assets taken by the integration into the flight directed issue of shares to the aircraft industry, Huarong Company and Hongdu Group assets into three parties, the purchase of 100% of the Group SAC Option to fly 100% to 100% equity stake Hongdu Group and Technology, the estimated value of the underlying assets of 15.847 billion yuan. Upon completion of the reorganization, the main business will be integrated into the fly to change the fighters, air-surface missiles and other research-based. Notice that the integration into the flight of this major asset restructuring to be undertaken by the issue of shares to buy assets from the integration into the flight the aircraft industry, Huarong and three Hongdu Group assets into the party directed issue of shares, the purchase of 100% equity interest in Shenyang Aircraft Group , to fly a 100% equity stake to 100% Hongdu Group and Technology. Meanwhile, this restructuring will be implemented supporting financing Serve fly integration intends to AVIC, Huarong, China Aviation aircraft, AMES, AVIC investment AVICHINA, AVIC Avionics, CATIC, Hang Sheng investment and soaring investment in non- public offering of shares to raise cash, the total financing package does not exceed 25% of the total transaction time. As part of this restructuring of the underlying SAC Group, fly into three groups and Hongdu technology assets estimated value of up to 15.847 billion yuan. After the completion of the transaction, AVIC and its affiliated companies will together hold approximately 141,370.80 million shares, representing approximately 87.37% of total issued share capital, while in the aircraft industry remains the controlling shareholder and actual controller. Announcements, Shenyang Aircraft Group in 2012 and 2013 net profit was 370 million yuan and 290 million yuan, Cheng Fei Group in 2012 and 2013 net profit was 250 million yuan and 370 million yuan, and as a platform for listed companies Integrated fly past two years, net profit attributable to shareholders was 54.45 million yuan, respectively, and 45.35 million yuan. The company said that after the second injection of assets, asset size of listed companies, profitability will be significantly improved; company to integrate AVIC defense equipment segment strong technical resources, market resources and excellent human resources, through a rich product types, extension industrial chain, create synergy, enhance the company’s ability to resist risks, to further enhance the company’s capacity for sustainable development and competitiveness. Company shares resume trading from the time May 19, 2014 opening.
Sorry for my stupidity if I misunderstand … but that sounds like a take-over, merger or the birth of an Aerospace-giant !!!
Deino
DeinoÄhhhmmmm … did I miss something ??! … or is this a ps-fake ?
Found here (http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/k/slide_8_297_29436.html#p=1) and said to be a Su-34SV for Vietnam
大消息：网传越南空军苏-34SV战斗轰炸机到货
近日有越南军迷在社交网站上发布了一张了拍摄于今年2月的照片。图片显示一架迷彩涂装的苏霍伊系战机正被运下安-124运输机。新浪军事对比了越南空军的苏-30MK2V照片后发现，此飞机尾椎并非苏-30的，而是属于量产型苏-34特有的，也就是苏-34SV到货。
via: https://www.facebook.com/DVTTDN?hc_location=timeline (February 24.)
To admit I can’t think that this export success would be hidden by anyone – most of all the Russians – as such I therefore think that this is most likely a psed image of either a Su-30MKK in the regular Vietnamese colour scheme + a psed Su-34-sting or an image of a real Su-34 loaded into an An-124 but with a psed Vietnamese-style colour scheme.
Anyone with more information,
Deino :what:
DeinoA video of the latest ASTRA test from Chinese site !
http://www.fyjs.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1045536#lastpost
Deino
DeinoAn image of the rarely seen Nort Korean Air Force Un … and an even more interesting video of Kim Jong-un’s visit to an AFB:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfVZKXrk_ZU&feature=player_embedded
or
http://video.yandex.ru/users/kim-hanber2014/view/237#hq
Deino
DeinoFirst ASTRA launched off a Su-30MKI today !!!
https://twitter.com/livefist
http://www.livefistdefence.com/2014/05/indias-astra-bvraam-testfired-from-iaf.html
Deino
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