o.k … THANKs !
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https://russiandefpolicy.wordpress.com/2012/12/29/su-34-growing-pains/
Early this month, Izvestiya’s Aleksey Mikhaylov and Dmitriy Balburov published on “growing pains” in Russia’s procurement of the Su-34 strike fighter. The aircraft is ”not combat capable” according to them.
A few English-language sites mentioned their story, but didn’t render it completely or accurately.
According Izvestiya, the Defense Minister may soon sign out a report on defects in the Su-34 that interfere with its “full combat employment.” Each of the 16 Su-34s received over six years reportedly has its own “individual problems.”
The authors say the Defense Ministry already won an 80-million-ruble suit against the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named for Chkalov over undelivered aircraft. They insinuate this Defense Ministry report could be the basis for more litigation against the airplane’s manufacturer.
A Su-34 pilot told Izvestiya radar and targeting-navigation system problems interfere with flight training in the aircraft. Malfunctions, he says, are the result of both programming problems and technical flaws. A maintenance officer said each aircraft has “its own characteristics,” for example, an auxiliary motor located in different places on different borts.
Two Su-34s delivered to Lipetsk in 2006 are allegedly non-operational, and sit at the airfield for show. However, the best airframes are the last three borts sent to Baltimor / Voronezh last summer, a VVS Glavkomat officer told the authors.
OPK representatives expressed surprise at the military’s complaints, noting that the early production run of any aircraft entails problems. Some blamed a low level of training among VVS pilots and technicians for difficulties with the Su-34.
The Izvestiya report seems at odds with the recent announcement that delivery of a second Su-34 squadron is beginning. In fact, the media reports five more aircraft arrived at Voronezh from Novosibirsk just days ago. Practically the same day, Defense Minister Shoygu visited the city, airfield, and other VVS institutions. It may be that his predecessor Serdyukov was inclined to criticize the OPK and the Su-34′s quality. So maybe Shoygu won’t approve the Su-34 report. But that doesn’t necessarily mean there aren’t real problems with the aircraft.
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by the way, Happy NEW Year.
Deino
Y-8GX-6 731 at the CFTE
Fially back to topic !
The forums at scramble have a link to a site that claims that China bought the production line for the Tu-22 Backfire for $1.5 billion. I don’t know how reliable the source is though. The site mentions their source is the China Times, but their site is in Chinese only, so maybe someone who does speak Chinese can look it up?
Honestly … these report are as regulary as the Su-35-purchse and again at least IMO complete BS. A purchase of the Backfire would have been usefull 10-15 years ago, but not now ….
Deino
Thanks for the flowers … 😮
Regarding the rumoured JH-7B: There has been a lot of talk abot that type in recent days and some (esp. Hutong !) say even the prototype made its maiden flight a few weeks ago.
To admit, I’m a bit sceptical and I even tend to say that there are two projects running: a true JH-7B which is most likely a MLU, maybe with an IFR-probe and minor external modifications and a new type – strangely also often called JH-7B, even if I would prefer to call that the JH-XX – … this one I think is stil under development and I would be very much surprised if that is the type, which made its 1st flight.
Anyway, the standard JH-7A production is still running and regarding currently several undelivered aircraft at the ramp at XAC (18 can be counted in late 2012), I expect a new unit to be formed quite soon.
Hope that helps a bit,
Deino
Ohhh please not again that stupid discussion on “the J-23 is longer than … and as such a bomb-truck a la F-111” !
Just a simple comparision + a bit of math …. :diablo:
Each one of China’s 7 warlords(aka military region) have their own military academies to train officers, and officers rise in rank only along the line of the military region which they belong to.
Each region has nothing to do with each other(They are technically rivals that could go to war with each other, as which was almost the case during the 1989 Tienanmen Square protest), using different uniform, protocol, and equipment unique to that region, to such that they cannot even communicate with each other over the radio, as evident during the 2008 Sichuan quake relief effort.
Sorry, but that contradicts EVERYTHING I’ve learnt about the Chinese military in all the years I’m interested in that matter, its genesis – most of all the PLAAF’s current MRs – my book and all I’ve heard so far.
Any chance to elaborate that stuff You tell us here ?? :confused:
Deino
I find SlowMan and Tigershark’s participation in the forum a fascinating insight into how South Korean and Chinese people perceive each other Deino. All we need is a Japanese poster to get the hat-trick! 😀 My parents went on holiday to China last year and the hatred of Japanese people really surprised them!
Kind of like this episode of South Park:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7xP5EFThh0
Apparently it really was like that sometimes…So it has some use to the forum, even if it is just the comedy value. It is even funnier when JSR throws his Russian nationalistic view into play as well.
Agreed, but if I would like to get some fun, I play with my kids, if I would like to read nationalistic posts, I look at the WAFF-forum … but at least IMO this forum had a quite high reputation, which dropped in recent months to a level that frightens me.
Deino
J-31 = Chinese F-35 replica
J-18 = Chinese Harrier or Yak-38 replica.
THERE IS NO J-18 !!!! … forget it !
seems like j20 about the same size as j15
Yeppp … but that was already known since some time even if others still try to make a hyper-larger interdictor or striker out of the J-20. :diablo:
Posted at the SDF …. interesting satellite image. 😮

Truely an interesting image but again some don’t get it that Xi’an is not only the home of XAC but even more important the CFTE !!!
rumor is j-18 being tested in inner mongolia this month
Forget it … it seems that currently nearly everyone seems to write anything about the Chinese Aviation scene ….:mad: