Deino

I ordered the Harpia book thru Amazon which should ship in November and look forward to reading it.

What is the difference between the Harpia’s Modern Chinese Airpower and Ian Allan’s Dragon’s Wings?

Thanks for Your interest but First of all I would prefer to order directly at the Publisher or from one of the mentioned retailers since especially Amazon is much more extensive for the Harpia book.

Regarding Your second question: the Harpia Book can be seen as a handbook of the currently PLAAF and PLANAF, the operational Aircraft, weapons and most of all the Orbat … In contrast to this, “Dragon’s Wings” is a historical Review of each major Aircraft project especially including such Secret types like the Dong Feng Series, the SAC J-10 to J-13 but also some very unknown types like STOL-projects, the H-7….

Deino

For those who might be interested in that topic … It’s finally done and hopefully worth all efforts …. “Modern Chinese Air Power” is ‘going to the press’ since yesterday:

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Modern Chinese Warplanes, Combat Aircraft and Units of the Chinese Air Force and Naval Aviation

Authors: Andreas Rupprecht and Tom Cooper
ISBN: 978-0-9854554-0-8
Size: 28x21cm, softcover
Volume: 256 pages with 3 black and white pictures, 274 colour pictures, 12 maps and 60 colour drawings
Retailprice: 35.95 Euro plus p&p
Publication Date: 24 October 2012
Publisher: Harpia Publishing L.L.C.

Where To Order http://www.harpia-publishing.com/?q=node/35/popup&view=stores

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Much of the fascination that Chinese military aviation holds for the analyst and enthusiast stems from the thick veil of secrecy that surrounds it. This uniquely compact yet comprehensive directory serves as a magnificently illustrated, in-depth analysis and directory of modern Chinese air power.

It is organised in three parts: the most important military aircraft and their weapons found in Chinese service today; aircraft markings and serial number systems; and orders of battle for the People’s Liberation Army Air Force and Naval Air Force.

The study includes the latest developments emerging from behind the ‘Bamboo Curtain’, including the J-20 stealth fighter programme and other indigenous projects that are equipping a rapidly modernising air arm. The centrepiece consists of more than 100 fully illustrated pages detailing the organisational structure of the Air Force and Naval Aviation, providing an easy-to-use review of all known flying units, their equipment and their markings.

No other book has ever attempted to present this level of accuracy in this way: Modern Chinese Warplanes portrays the PLAAF and the PLANAF in a degree of detail that was previously unavailable.

As such all I need to say is THANK You all, who contributed with their input, help, comments, corrections and so on …

Deino 😉

1, copies could be made if the original company is part of the development process. just like how Dassault helped IAI make Mirage clones

2. you lumped all variants into one cluster even though some variants are much closer to being copies and others being new designs.

Yes, exactly my point !

But once again even the Kfir as such were not Mirage copies since they use a different powerplant and so on. And even further with p. 2 You are correct – but that’s actually the problem depending the definition of “copy” one accepts – it is a constant process which leds ever further away from being a real copy. With all Chinese Flanker versions I agree these can be regarded for sure as copies of the Russion originals, but the J-10 is not a copy of the Lavi and even more to call the J-31 a copy of the F-35 is plain stupid.

Deino

Thanks for making fun about my comment, it really has been very useful for everyone ;).

Sorry that statement – esp. the red-whine – was more to protect myself for too-harsh critics not to make fun about Your comment.

In essence it was a real consideration given the close cooperation between Embraer with some Chinese aircraft manufactors and even more the lessons the Chinese Navy got from Brazin in regard to carrier operations.

As such … just a what if, one I have to admit don’t think very likely but like I said “what-if” the J-21 is in fact not only a export-related project but even an internation cooperation already.

As such, I’m sorry …
Deino

Would You know anything about the J-10’s history, then You would know that no J-10 was build with a lavi-style intake.

This “aircraft” seen here – by the way the same configuration as in the first image of Your previous post – is the first full-scale mock up build around the WP-15. It was already the largerer aircraft in comparison it finally evolved into but due to the AL-31FN a new intake and a shortened rear fuselage was necesary.

All other models are nothing more than simple desk-top models build to show some politicians … we all (maybe not all) know by Song Wengcong himself how the J-10 evolved from the J-9.

But I can understnd that its sometimes hard to give up a long beloved and believed thruth, which finally crashes.

So much on trolling ….
Deino

early designs of J-10 were identical to Lavi. only in the later stages was the design altered to fit an AL-31 engine

Come on … that old story is looooong dead. The ealy Lavi was to be powered by the WS-15 and already this engine was much larger than the Lavi’s US powerplant. But sometimes it’s so nice to keep old believings ….

Deino

J-16 is based on the J-11BS (twin seat J-11B). It will carry out the missions currently done by Su-30MKK/MK2 & JH-7/7A. Not sure whether they have the regular WS-10 or the higher thrust variant.

Not really correct ! If You look closely it features more details found on the MKK than on the J-11BS and as such it is most likely a true MKK-copy in the same way the J-15 is a Su-33 copy (even if I don’t like that term “copy”).

Just note:
– the IFR-probe
– the twin-nose gear
– the later, taller fins with exactly the same taller rudder as found o the MKK … as such most likly also with the fuel cells (only the canted fins of the J-11BS were used instead of the squated ones)

Deino