… Greece on the other hand onesidedly wants to exercise its rights in a very extreme place in the world…
International Law has absolutely no reference to “extreme places in the world”! Anyway the only extreme with our place in the world is our bellicose neigbhour. Turkey accepted our right wich is status quo since early 30’s. Turkey started to question this situation only at the 70′ arbitrarily. The same goes with Athens FIR and everything else.
…That depends on how you read those treaties.
Everyone in the world reads those treaties as the were ment to be read! Even Turkey. That is obviusly the only reason that Turkey continiously refuse turn to international court of Hagen as Greece has proposed.
The think is that Greek people has been tired and disgusted from the deplorable attitude of Turkey despite the studius support and sympathy Greece shows to her (EU integration, etc…). For God’s sake! the Turkish Pilot had a gun with him (!) and threatened to fire at the crew of the Panama boat and Greek resquers… His own SAVERS!!!. Were all these in the line of the training mission (1 RF-4E + 2 fully armed F-16 ‘s which were to take pictures of Hellenic A/A facilities in east Creete…. ) ??? And all these inocent training -SPY- missions are taking place frequently in a regular basis at least 3-4 times a weak, besides the other “dogfight training missions” which are in dayly basis. A greek pilot during his readyness shift, is propable to take off 2-3 even 4 times to recon, intercept and angage those good neigbhoors of ours. It is a truly a miracle that there has not been a major crisis and it is only due to the high training standards and the professionalism of HAF pilots…
further more at the specific incident Turkish aircraft violated ICAO regulation by entering Athens FIR (not Hellenic Air space) without deposition of flight plans as they are obligated by international law.
From another news report:
Turkey insists Greek airspace extends only 10km (6 miles) offshore, not 16km (10 miles) as Greece maintains.
………………………………………….. ………………………………………….. .Can they not split the difference, set it at 8 mile airspace for Greece?
Maybe put out few sea buoys to mark the territory?
Every each one nation in the world has the right according international law, to extend its airspace and territorial waters until 12 miles offshore . Greece has defined them at only 10miles of airspace and 6 miles at sea. Even turkey has its air and waters at 12 miles offshore at the black sea!
This is not a solution. Lets say tomorow Turkey demands from Greece to acquire Creete. What do you expect from Greeks? to give the half of the island so everyone to be happy???
By the Hellenic National Defence General Staff it is announced that, at 23 May 2006 on 12.45 took place an air accident, at that a Greek and Turkish plane colided in air, 21 naval miles southly-eastern of island Karpathos, inside the Athens FIR.
Turkish formation, constituted from 1 RF-4E and 2 F-16 , entered in the FIR of Athens, without deposit of flight plans, and moved to the region north of the island Crete, forcing thus the rules of air interception. Hellenic formation, constituted from two F-16, according to the provisions of ICAO, for the guarantee of international Aviation it was moved in order to recognize the unknown traces.
At the manoeuvres during the recognition, a collision took place between one Greek and one of Turkish F-16 at height of 27 thousands feet.
Immediately was mobilised the National Centre of Co-ordination of Search and Rescue (EKSED), with multiple means (Planes, Helicopters and ships of HN and HCG) which arrived in the region inside the FIR Athens and began the search and rescue operation for the pilots of two planes,according ICAO regulation.The nearby commercial boat “Gas Century”, with Panama flag of Japanese interests (company Yamamaru) collected in international waters of southernly island Karpathos Turkish pilot, while simultaneously a helicopter Super Puma of Hellenic Air Force arrived.
The Greek rescuers, with the Governor a Hellenic coast Guard ship which arrived in the area also, went on board the Panama’s boat for helping the Turkish pilot, who denied the help, invoking his good physical situation. Then, after demands from Turkish side, was allowed the delivery of the pilot to a Turkish Helicopter which arived later at the region.
The Search and Rescue is continued, for the detection of the Greek pilot.
src:Hellenic National Defence General Staff announcement.
ps. Sorry for the bad english translation it is from auto translation machine. I tried to correct it as much as I could. The original source only in Greek (yet) is located here:
http://www.geetha.mil.gr/index.asp?a_id=1716&news_id=264
some pics from the ceremony of the rising of the flag for KRYSTALIDHS (P-69) “SUPER VITA” Class boat, found on:
well the information stream is continious. This serious episode concerned finally the collision of a HAF F-16 Block 52+ and THK F-16 according to military sources. The incident was marked in the region of Southern Karpathos (15 miles South-eastern), when at the duration of engagement the two fighters colided in air. The Turkish F-16 with another one accompanied a RF-4E Phantom.
According to defence.net, a Turkish pilot was collected in international waters by commercial boat with Panama flag. Above the vessel waits a Hellenic Super Puma helicopter but the Turkish pilot denies to go on board !
Later news: The HAF F-16 was a “C Blk 52+”
All three pilots reported to have ejected but no confirmation yet.
HAF , Hellenic Coast Guard, HN aircrafts and HN Navy boats are carry on SAR operations…
Petros, We both posted at the same time. Will this sort of thing lead to diplomatic problems ?
He he, No my friend Maybe a moderator can help to merge our posts 🙂
from last info. The collision took place between HAF F-16 and a THK RF-4E..
the need of a hellicopter to replace the Heuy is imperative even after the NH90 enter service. Heuy is general purpose, low cost helli and it’s replacer can not be a NH-90 category (= heavy, expensive, rare because of its numbers… etc.) aircraft. An (heavy) upgraded Heuy as far as I’m concairned a very good solution …
well, except NH-90 fleet witch gradualy is going to increase, there are also plans for upgrading or replacing Hueys… I ‘m not sure about the point those intentions/plans are at the moment …
EADS know damn well the Greek state is looking to sell the majority stake in HAI. Carrot dangling and the government will bite.
he he I agree, I’m sure Dassault will give much too…
Here an E. Meimarakis (MoD) statement from ILA 2006:
So, according Greek MoD in Berlin, in any case there is going to be an open procedure for the evaluation and the decision in a competition basis, as the new law for purchasing military material. The decision will be made until 2008 in order HAF to acquire the aircrafts about 2012. Every factor will be quantified.
The same goes for the new trainer programme. He noted also that, “…the final decision, is going to be affected also from the international developments…”
I think greek government tries to be extricated from the Typhoon bond and to initiate bargain again from zero basis…
well, here some new photo’s from ZUBRs drill “Sarisa 2006”
src: http://www.geetha.mil.gr/index.asp?a_id=1713&news_id=263
The intention of EADS to acquire HAI (EAB) if Greece decides to buy TYPHOON, declared Erwin Obermeier, high standing official of EADS Military Air Systems and general manager of Eurofighter-Typhoons production during ILA 2006.
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source: http://www.defencenet.gr
link for the article (in Greek only sorry…)
any news, if the agreement includes their organic helicopters? What about the phalanx CIWSs? are there included also?