The ‘H’ – later Buzzard- was basically a scale-up of the ‘F’ and the racing ‘R’ was a beefed-up ‘H’. The original Griffon in 1933 was a derated ‘R’ but the wartime Griffon was a completely new engine, albeit with the same cylinder dimenssions. None of these engines were related that closely to the Condor, which was old-tech by 1927 and had had its day.
This is from a minute dated 4.12.26 in in AIR 5/436 “General Position of Schneider Cup Aircraft”
With reference to the last paragraph of conclusions, Messrs. Rolls-Royce have been asked to investigate the possibilities of redesigning the Condor engine on the same lines as the F.X. engine. In the first instance we are proposing to build a service engine of this type and later on to boost it up to see what can be done for racing purposes. The capacity of the Condor III engine is 2138 cubic inches, and if developed on the same lines as the Lion Series VIIA engine the redesigned engine should develop 1070 B.H.P. @ 2600 R.P.M. and would weigh approximately 1000 lb. Action is being taken with Messrs. Rolls-Royce with a view to producing three engines of the new type, and it is understood that the designs will commence in three weeks from date. As soon as the scheme drawings have been completed we shall be able to give you more data with regard to frontal area, horse-power and weight.
R.D.E.3
4.12.26. (Signed) A.D./R.D.E
I think this shows that the Buzzard and “R” were derived from both the Condor and the F.X ( aka Kestrel) and that there was, even in 1926, an an intent to produce a racing engine from this development.
Hi,
noticed the boat in picture 2, can make out ANGLO SAT…-LONDON,does anyone know it,s story?
regards
jack…
Jolly Boat from SS ‘Anglo-Saxon‘
Label
On 21 August 1940 the German armed merchant raider ‘Widder’ sank the SS Anglo-Saxon, 5,596 tons (Nitrate Producers SS Co) carrying a cargo of coal from Newport to Bahia Blanca , approximately 800 miles west of the Canaries. Seven men managed to escape in the jolly boat which drifted 2,700 miles across the Atlantic finally grounding with only two survivors, Able Seaman Robert Tapscott and Roy Widdicombe, on an island in the Bahamas after 70 days. Thirty nine of the ‘Anglo-Saxon’s’ crew died. After the war the ‘Widder’s’ captain, von Ruckteschell, was found guilty of failing to provide for the safety of the ship’s crew, since ‘Widder’ had fired on the ship’s lifeboats. This boat was generously transferred to the Imperial War Museum from Mystic Seaport Museum, with the help of P&O Nedlloyd and the support of the Newport SS Anglo-Saxon Jolly Boat Association, Mr Anthony Smith and Mr Ted Milburn.History note
This jolly boat drifted 2,700 miles across the Atlantic, after the sinking of the SS ‘Anglo-Saxon’. Of the original seven men in the boat two survived.Physical description
boat Wooden boat from SS ‘Anglo-Saxon’, length 18 ft, beam 6.5 ft.
The LFS thing is not something to do with a LORAN system is it?
Just a wild uneducated guess
Is LFS not the Light Fighter Sight?
What’s that aircraft he’s climbing into? I’m sure I recognise that “canopy” (tin box with a window).
Is it one of the DH108s? (a subsequent google suggests not)
Adrian
I think its the Ghost Vampire (TG278) in which Cunningham broke the altitude record
Here’s one… I have a fuse board with the following info on the back:
s/no. DHB 33
25NF5365a mod 255776
2. Z/FW
DH / HS.125 ?
A slight aside – what is the correct designation for ATDU? I’ve seen the ‘A’ listed as Air, Aircraft, Aerial or Airborne!!
Aircraft Torpedo Development Unit according to files at the National Archives (AVIA 16 and AVIA 32) .
The questions are where is K.B?
Kleine Brogel ?
Can anyone help with the following?
There are often various coded stencils on aircraft around the structure which I believe relate to various aspects of the airframe, such as design, inspection, standard, etc.
I’ve seen the following markings on a rudder and I’m wondering if someone can help break it down into what the various parts are and mean?
HS&S B/HLFW/R722
[???] DSI [AID I DG]And also
HLF W.FIN 606
[HLF W ??]Any help appreciated.
Hotspurs were manufactured by the (then) well known furniture manufacturers, Harris Lebus at their Ferry Lane, Tottenham factory so I suspect that HLF stands for Harris Lebus Furniture or Harris Lebus Ferry Lane
At 612 VGS the original three Ventures were ZA652, 653 and 654 and we put the following daglo numbers as large as possible on the rudders;
ZA652 was 6, ZA653 was 1 and ZA654 was 2.
Forget looking for the correct font, we just maximised the size to fit the space available on the rudder
We did this to assist us in identifying the aircraft in the circuit. Other VGS did similar things but to no set design, as I’ve flown Ventures with individual numbers or letters on the fin and rudder but I couldn’t tell you which was which as we only logged the actual serial, so unless you can find a photo of ZA657 I’m of no help.
Here are some photos of ZA653/1 and ZA660/6 in 1987, note the very different sizes of the fin codes.


Folks,
Does anyone have an idea about the aircraft below. I know I have seen it as as an all cast metal model aircraft for kids. The aircraft article is at the bottom of page 38
Jack E. Hammond
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American Gyro Crusader, see http://www.dmairfield.org/airplanes/NX14429/index.html
IIRc the EAP is now at Cranfield
No, its at Loughborough.
I’m guess that large cluster of bomb strikes on the river Itchen is the Supermarine factory ?
This map shows only the night raids on 30 Nov and 1 Dec 1940. The major raids on the Supermarine factories were daylight raids earlier in the year ( 24 and 26 September) . The cluster of three strikes in Woolston ( at the eastern end of the current Itchen Bridge) would have been on the Thornycroft shipbuilding site, Supermarine’s Woolston Works was immediately north of the bridge (you can see the slipway on the map) and the Itchen Works a further 1/2 km north.
XX145 was there last week;)
Its now at DSFC Welbeck – unloaded today.
The references I have don’t quote a wing section, but one does say that the wing was developed with the co-operation of the NPL and was a laminar flow wing section with the maximum thickness at ‘about’ 42% of wing cord. AFP says that the wing spar for the Spiteful/Seafang was at 40% chord.
The contemporary Flight article on the Attacker says:
At the root the maximum thickness is at 40 per cent of the chord and at the tip at 42 per cent
Yes indeed, more than likely. As far as I know the HSA series were developed at the NPL, they turn up in Aeronautical Research Council reports from the mid ’40s onwards.
That seems to be confirmed by the Flight article on the 510, discussing the wings it says:
It is in fact an N.P.L. 10 per cent t/c symmetrical section which, as well as having the advantageous well-rounded leading-edge profile for low speed stalling, was found to have its greatest depth at a point (35 per cent chord) where it was convenient for spar pick-up. In addition, the section provides a fairly narrow trailing-edge angle which, of course, is beneficial in terms of control characteristics at the higher Mach numbers.