Graham
ND623 left Avro on completion on 15/2/44, and was flown to 32 Maintenance Unit at St Athan. The usual reason for a Lancaster to go to 32 MU before entering service was for the installation of special radio/radar equipment. Perhaps ND623 had something secret fitted, hence the requirement for guarding it (/G). It left St Athan for Kirmington and 166 Sqdn on 23/2/44 where it became AS-F. On 1/3/44 it received Category B damage, which meant dismantling and delivery by road to a factory repair facility. On the same date, the Operations Record Book for RAF Woodbridge, the emergency landing ground, records that AS-F, captained by F/S Booth made a belly landing there at 1228 hrs after hitting a snow bank on take off from base for an air test.
Repairs at an Avro factory took until 12/8/44, and on 31/8/44 ND623 was allotted to Flight Refuelling Ltd for in-flight refuelling development work. It was written off on 11/10/45 while attempting to land at Staverton after a refuelling exercise. It still had 500 gallons of fuel aboard in internal tanks when it touched too fast with no wind on a short runway. It overshot into a deep brook.
You may like to know, if you don’t already, that the history of 166 Sqdn is covered in ‘On Wings of War’ by Jim Wright ISBN 0 9528476 0 4.
Regards
Allan
Wow, Alan
Thats awesome thankyou very much for the info. I wonder what was special about it.
Hello Graham, Harry Holmes ‘Dfinitive Record’ has it as ND623/G making it a bit exotic. 32MU, 166Sqn, Flt Refueling Ltd and Air Britain has it lost on11/10/45 overshot landing and hit trees, Staverton. Facts but no more, All the best, Ian.
Thanks Ian I have found a bit more info apparently ND620 as AS-I made its first operational flight with 616 24th March 1944 to Berlin so I would have thought that ND623 arrived at the same time. Whats the G bit all about? Is it possible this aircraft had village Inn, as far as i am aware 616 didnt get it?
AS-F aircraft were DV247 EE200 LM390 LM521 ME637 ME812 ND506 ND623
166 ORB from March 1944 should solve the mystery;)
On the reverse. Quite small?
This is usually the part number………of the data plate.:)
Mark
Thats interesting, does the data plate count as equipment? or have I got it wrong, in my notes 64 means equipment.
Hi Graham happy new Year
I have this origional spitfire one including all the brackets that go inside the mirror and part of the stork just been dropped at little from 20,000ft which may be of use:rolleyes:
[ATTACH]159651[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]159652[/ATTACH]
Taa check your email 😀
Sorry to dredge up an old thread but I just noticed a stamped number on the reverse side of the data plate shown above:
30064/325
or maybe it’s ‘30064 325’ (the slash could be a mere scratch)
Does this offer any further clues as to identity of the aircraft?
paging Mark12 as ever… 😀
300= MK1 Spitfire could be used on later Mks
64= Equipment
325= part number
No is the answer
Happy new year Graham, here are some photos of the mount from a Mk 1. A little worse for wear but with all the important sizes. I think this is for the rectangular mirror rather than the round but the footprint is probably the same. You’re welcome to measure it, as the actress said to…..etc. All the best, Ian.
Thanks Ian
If you bring it over so i can measure it i’ll let your fire the beast up:diablo: . happy New Year 🙂
Oh, and this very blurred one !
Thanks very much thats exactly the shot i was looking for 🙂
Thanks Mark
We are working on some mirrors can you pm the phone nos or address of the people making the mounts
Thanks
Graham
Right first time Graham the cockpit sequence are from a Spitfire… 😀 Sadly theres only one short film of the Whirly and it does not include any cockpit footage, I’ve used part of a Spitfire startup to create a link for the take off sequence but have had to magnify them to hide the fact that they are not Whirly ones… 😉 So the Whirly pilots notes will be different…;)
I would suspect that there are many ‘common’ instruments to both the Whirlwind and other early War aircraft. Just trying to get some decent interior shots are nearly impossible, the original photo’s taken for the official pilots notes are apparently ‘unobtainable’ which is a shame as the ones that are in the pilots notes are of very poor quality, although a magazine that shall remain nameless has used one in a review of Westlands little ‘Crikey’
There is substancial information to be had from the Repair AP’s…
Mr Blue Sky
I have some reasonable pictures of the cockpit layout and as you say the instruments are pretty standard stuff if you email me [email]gadlam@btinternet.com[/email] i’ll send you what i have. Westlands do have good quailty pictures and i am awaiting their arrival:)
Having just had a closer look there doesnt appear to be any “Whirlwind only” type instruments like the Spitfire’s trim and U/c indicator. I suspect the only instrument that will be impossible to get will be the fuel gauge’s as these were one of the only gauges made specifically for each type of aircraft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngPa9xgiWo
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Great video the cockpit sequence looks like a Spitfire? same U/C indicator and trim gauge? etc Westlands did build Spitfires perhaps they borrowed these instruments for the prototypes? The pilots notes i have show a totally different arrangement.
What’s the problem with the “make it fly” brigade?
Why should any restoration have to fly. Let’s start with a static one first shall we? If there are no drawings to work from, then the result would be a monstrosity,
Cees
Cees complete detailed drawings are not available according to Westlands, however dimensional drawings are available, this is how people like airfix can make exact scaled down models,and there are plenty of whirlwind models on the market includind scale flyers. There is very little difference in building a scale model or a full size model just allot more materials and space to build it the dimensions can be replicated exactly for a static so it wont look monstrous. Building a flyer requires drawings for each of the thousands of compenents thats the difference.
Hello Stuart, Kestrels were suggested as a substitute for Peregrines which are apparently practically non existent. As you know there is a big step between thinking and doing and am not aware of any projects in motion although it would be great if someone was building one. Westland’s told me there are no complete surviving drawings of the aircraft so a flyer would be a very difficult proposition, there was a project going on in the US but Westland’s said that they ended up putting Cessna wings on it due to lack of drawings, I have no more info on that project. In building a static replica the task is very much simplified as long as its right externally and the cockpit is right we can use a much simplified construction technique. I have a good set of dimensional drawings to work from.
anybody know of any bits and pieces left at all? I’ve just been browsing “interceptor” by james goulding, I’ve always had a soft spot for the Whirlwind, lovely looking thing and to me is a big “should have been” – anyhow, I know one made the civil register (P7048 became G-AGOI) – anything left anywhere? (maybe the Whitley guys can put one together in their spare time….?);) 😀
I have been looking into the Whirlwind recently as a subject for our next replica build, there arent any surivivors or replica’s as far as I have been able to find out. It is an appropriate project for us as Westlands is local. There is some wreckage in private ownership from crash recoveries. The last survivor was scrapped in the 70s after being used by Westlands as a fire rescue training aid, needless to say the remains were in poor condition when scrapped. It surpises me that Westlands didnt make any effort to save at least one but it wasnt really a success for them. An engine was donated to a local ATS in the late 60s but this has long since vanished. I am looking for a pair of servicable Kestrals(ground runners) if any body knows for any I have heard they are still around in reasonable numbers and do not command Merlin prices.
Yes, the valve number and arrangement are the dead-giveaway…two, inclined…
…as opposed to four, flat (well, nearly) for the DB601/DB605.
Looks like a Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp radial piston to me (DC-3 / B-24).
At least you haven’t lost your sense of humour over it…and hope it didn’t cost you too much.
I cant remember what i paid for it, i always work on buyer beware principal on purchases its rare i buy something if i dont know what it is, that way I don’t get caught out to often. This really was a blantant bit of miss information but without the paperwork to back it up i wont have paid much.
Sorry, not a Bf109 piston…it’s American. 😮
Amazing I wonder how it picked up the History I was given LOL