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  • in reply to: RCS of fighter , bomber ,missile #2271997
    moon_light
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    easy & funny, but interesting…;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFY0VWGGFtM

    good evening, & till later,

    Etienne

    thank u ๐Ÿ˜€ very cool movie
    BTW which one have bigger RCS the F-18 E/F or F-16 , i know F-16 is smaller but F-18 E/F have radar blocker so :confused::confused: btw boeing also said F-18 E/F have the smallest RCS among none stealth aircraft so :confused:

    in reply to: RCS of fighter , bomber ,missile #2272000
    moon_light
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    I have a very hard time imagining the MiG-29 would have a smaller signature than the Gripen in clean configuration. The 39A Gripen had an RCS in clean config. of 0.1m2. Since the introduction of the Gripen 39A&B, a lot has happened and even further measures of reducing the signature has been made.
    http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2390/gripenrcsfoilqwx1.jpg

    And the difference between the F/A-18C/D and F/A-18E/F Hornet is tiny compared to what Boeing has claimed they’ve done to minimize the RCS of the Hornet.

    btw what boeing claim for f-18 E/F rcs :confused:

    in reply to: RCS of fighter , bomber ,missile #2272003
    moon_light
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    …..supposing you mean ‘radar cross section’ !

    then you find here a serious reference, with some figures (in mยฒ and dB..) of some ‘classics’..;

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/stealth-aircraft-rcs.htm

    friendly yours,

    Etienne

    thank you alot but i dont know why there a lot of different claim on the RCS รฒ F-18 E/F and B-1B :confused::confused: some source say they have RCS = 0.1 m2 , some source say they have RCS equal 1 m2 :confused: quite confusing

    in reply to: RCS of fighter , bomber ,missile #2272021
    moon_light
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    What are those figures based on?

    experiment from producer
    the only one i know is that F-35 have RCS = 0.0015 m2 and F-22 have RCS = 0.0001 m2 head on according to US government

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272050
    moon_light
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    not very related but Su-30 is the most beautiful fighter i ever seen
    ๐Ÿ™‚

    in reply to: RCS of fighter , bomber ,missile #2272057
    moon_light
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    http://paralay.com/paralay_tab.xls

    In Russian. Line 83 and 84

    why it so much bigger than information from USA ?? :confused:
    and how come the B-1b have RCS = 0 m2 ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272099
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    The F-22 doesnt have a FLIR or an IRST…
    That image was taken at ground level using a RAF Rapier SAM IR chanel, the B2 was making low level flybyยดs over RAF Fairford.

    what i mean is the FLIR look at the 2 aircraft from below so it is easier to spot them

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272101
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    if it tries to escape, not only it won’t be cold but it will be glowing from the rear (there’s a tiny little thingy at the rear end called the engine that produces A LOT of heat ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

    besides, while the engagements start at higher subsonic speeds, once you start pulling G’s your speed will inevitably drop fast. All in all, there are too many parameters to just make a short answer, but basically:

    – before the fight starts the faster fighter can dictate whether and when to fight,

    – once the fight started (chances are there are the missiles will be spent before the merge as none will voluntarily start a dogfight unless he doesn’t have another option), it can turn into a gunfight in which a faster fighter again has the edge (it can disengage and reengage at will while the slowest one can only hope to survive long enough to either kill the other guy or until the other guy is out of fuel).

    Now if you have the slower fighter AND your fighter can’t turn as well as the other one, you’re in deep trouble (to stay polite) if you have only your gun left to fight your way out of there. Some may add “it’s a whole system that fights, not just on fighter or one group of fighters”, but the answer is the same, you either fight an opponent that is no significant threat to you in any way (like most (if not all) wars in the last two decades) and the F*35 is just a overpriced toy that could have been replaced easily by current fighters for much less cash spent, or you fight a really potent opponent and in such case, the F-35 better have some good fighters covering it while it goes to drop its load on target.

    the thing is if you go faster , you will be detected from longer range , so the slower aircraft can also decide to enter or retreat from the fight , chose good position before the faster aircraft even know it was there , and like i said , no pilot going in dogfight with speed > mach 0.8-> 1.2 so the advantage in speed mean nothing here ๐Ÿ˜‰
    and before going in to dogfight enemy aircraft must be able to evade 3 meteor , 2 AIM-132 , 4 CUDA , older gen fighter will simply dont see stealth fighter nor having any opportunity to launch their missiles so it is necessary to have stealth aircraft

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272149
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    A secret program that is shown in the Air Force Association Technology Expo 2012? ๐Ÿ˜€

    http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Cuda-460x250.jpg

    :)at the moment the only thing we know about it is the shape ,and load out :p so i think it quite secret , may be it even have air to ground mode ๐Ÿ˜Ž , we just dont know , kind of the same with j-20 all we really know is the shape:D

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272152
    moon_light
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    Here is an IR image of B-2
    http://media.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_B-2_Close_View_IR_lg.gif
    And from 30 sec, here is an IR video of F-22
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=58N6Plr17GU

    in your image the flir looker at the B-2 , F-22 from lower altitude , the aircraft against very cold sky
    but when a f-35 try to retreat , pilot may decide to dive down to lower altitude than enemy and fly a ways ๐Ÿ˜€ , so trying to find a cold aircraft in a clutter back ground would not be that easy

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272158
    moon_light
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    Current uncooled sensors in handheld imagers work with 0.01K thermal resolution. The cooled systems usually work with one/two magnitude higher figures, depending on application. An effort to use fuel to effectively cool the aircraft to the extent that it cannot be detected or that the detection range will be reduced by a meaningful figure equals to an effort to hide an elephant on a Times Square by dressing it up in a red pyjama. There is a reason why producers do not talk about IR stealth anymore and instead focus on DIRCM.

    less ir signature mean the distance enemy can detect it is shorter , no need to be invisible , just be less visible
    example on stealth ir
    http://www.defensereview.com/1_31_2004/Intermat%20Anti-IR%20Paint%20M113%20APC%20Application_3.jpg
    http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/customer/intermat_stealth/pictures/Intermat_Stealth_thermal_signature_management_Leopard_2_painted_Greece_defence_industry_001.jpg
    http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Blucher_Systems_Ghost_Anti-Thermal_IR_Camouflage_1.jpg

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272160
    moon_light
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    US going forward will have alot less money for projects like F-35. as current election show the voting demographic change.and in next 8 to 10 years more walfare oriented canidates get elected to Congress. and this is inaddition to debt problem. Obama Chicago Olympic bid shows him that he simply cannot channel vast amount of money into one city that Brazil promised at that time. so projects with lot of money and less econmic impact will getting difficulty.
    T-50 does not have this problem. Chinese will run out of money like Japan before it can put operational Stealth fighter.

    what make u think russian willnot run out of money like USA ??????? , they also have problem as well , and their budget also less than usa, T-50 also mean to be cheaper than F-35 :confused: so nothing stop F-35 from having equal or better avionic than T-50 , J-20 ( f-35 is quite an important program that why it havenot been cut )

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272164
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    Djcross is right

    CUDA is a LM concept that was presented without getting any Pentagon backing. Thereยดs no requirement, program, stated intention, whatever, from any Pentagon official to develop something like CUDA.
    Its a LM internal program stating something “look we can do this”, while at the same time maintaining and developing design skills, nothing else, nothing more, what its not is a Pentagon program with a requirement, budget and development contract.

    it may be a candidate for secret program ๐Ÿ˜‰ , we dont know everything ๐Ÿ˜‰

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272169
    moon_light
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    It’s not about not knowing where they come from (in exercises they know full well where the adversary is) but about being outaccelerated without being able to follow

    Today the same thing is counts again: if you can’t run away, you can’t disengage so easily if you’re at a disadvantage. The faster fighter can choose whether it accepts the fight or not, whether it stops the fight or not. The slower fighter can only try to hide and if it doesn’t work, it has to be able to fight back effectively as it can’t get away

    ๐Ÿ˜‰ why you need to follow enemy if you only need to know where they are to launch a missile to that direction :confused: and like i said dogfight never happend at speed > than mach 0.8-1.2 so your argument about advantages in speed here is quite meaningless ๐Ÿ˜‰ , and btw at low altitude top speed of most fighter are quite equal , mach ( 1- 1.2 ) so when both sides run out of missiles F-35 pilot will dive down to low altitude run away (aircraft perform good at high altitude will be in disadvantages at low altitude and the opposite thing also true ๐Ÿ˜‰ so

    in reply to: F35 debate thread- enter at your own risk. #2272214
    moon_light
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    IMO, the probability that Cuda will be developed is infinitesimal.

    The Penatgon says F-35’s primary mission is strike in an anti-access environment. That means dropping A2G munitions.

    Since Cuda has no stated A2G role, it has no US sponsor. And with no sponsor, it will never get funding from Congress for development. Instead, ingressing F-35s will use existing AIM-120s, launched from beyond detection range, to mission-kill DCA.

    not quite , the number of F-35 will be much larger than F-22 , and it is intended to replace F-16 so it will also do escort/air dominance mission and CUDA can be use as last defence when the F-35 retreat

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