There is none except two prototypes. The production of 48 Su-35BM for the Russian AF will start from 2011 (12 per year) and be completed in 2015.
48 of the final incarnations of the Flanker family.
Enough to equip, what, two, maybe three VVS squadrons?
The Superbug may be useful for air-to ground and close EW support (Growler), but how will it fare against the vaunted Flanker family of air superiority fighters in the Asia-Pacific region, especially when it draws down to a WVR dogfight?
I doubt it, due to a number of factors, including:
Lack of TVC
Flanker’s outperformance of Superbug in all flight regimes
http://www.ausairpower.net/Warship-Hits.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/Analysis-Regional-ASCM.html
Sunburn, Sizzler and Yakhont anti-ship supersonic cruise missiles would spell the end of the Nimitz class supercarriers.
Unless the supercarriers and all surface warships were armed with railguns.
The French not really have a record of perfect deals when it comes to arms.
But the other offerings were not really competitive, look at the Mirage III or (biggest joke ever) the Lightning.
The F-104G was a very powerful fighter-bomber, and theoretically a useful fighter, though it required special tactics and lots of training.
And it cost the lives of 115 Luftwaffe pilots.
The ground crews even had to wear special gloves to keep themselves from getting cut because the edges of the Starfighter’s wings were razor sharp, IIRC.
You can relate to this PDF file from ausairpower:
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Anti-Access-Brief-June-2009-A.pdf
I wonder if the Gen 6 F/A-XX will fly like the UCAV EDI from the 2005 movie Stealth?
The technology has not yet matured sufficiently to facilitate a Gen 6 fighter design right now.
I think this will be good for Australia and hopefully we can get some meets between RAF and RAAF to have comparisons and to play with each other.
Maybe the RAF have done it with the US Navy already but i’ve not heard anything on this.
I guess as they are to replace the F111 there main role will be ground attack. The Aussies must feel that this plane is a big improvement on the F111 and i hope it serves them well. I don’t think once the F35 arrives in OZ it will replace the SuperHornet i think they will run the 2 together. I wounder what advantages the superhornet will have over the F35 when it arrives in service for the role the RAAF. Maybe better weapons integration/availability. I think the F35 would have to carry things like Harpoon on a hardpoint anyway so that’s the stealth gone. I am also not sure if Anti Ship Missiles and US navy weapons will be available for the F35A if US airforce doesn’t use them? maybe the F35 A B and C will all have the same weapons available by using the same computer or something?
I think this is a good buy for the RAAF and it will fit in nicely to there airforce. Also i wouldn’t they have any neighbouring country that could seriously attack them that they could not fight off with FA-18’s and Super Hornets.
Does anyone know what Weapons package the RAAF have bought for the Super Hornets.
Also are there any weapons the SuperHornet can use that the FA-18 can’t?
All in All i think a good buy for the RAAF and should really push up the availability over the F111.
The EA-18G Growler, the EW variant of the F/A-18F, will be included.
I don’t mind the Super Hornet, but I’d wish the RAAF would have used the B-1R Lancer as a strategic bomber or the F-15SE Silent Eagle, because they have the longer range.
I never knew that …….. 😮
Which one is it ??? :confused:
They have kept it very quiet, considering only two prototypes of the Su-35 (T10BM) have actually flown to date.
Do you have any more details of where this ‘combat squadron’ is based ?? Any photos etc ???
Ken
I looked through Wiki and there was no indication of Su-35s in any combat squadron.
Maybe they’re with the Russian Knights aerobatic display team.
They obviously confuse the first flight with the in service date.
That is what aviation fan people often tend to do, like the day the PAK FA takes to the skies is when it enters service with the VVS. Give me a break.
The Sukhoi engineers, test pilots and the VVS have to continue testing the PAK FA, along with several other prototypes to test their performances, their avionics, supercruising turbofans, missile test firings, dogfighting capability against the VVS’s existing legacy fleet of MiG-29s and Su-27s.
So in other words, Pravda is saying that buying the Su-35 to cover the gap they themselves have cried out as existing until the PAK FA is intended to start entering service, and ceasing Su-35 purchases in that same year, proves the PAK FA has failed in some way? I’m having a little trouble with their logic here. Yes it would have been nice for Russia to have had it ready earlier but then they might as well publish an article about how nice it would’ve been had the USSR not fallen. It makes no difference.
The Su-35BM Flanker-E, the final member of the Flanker family of air superiority fighters, is meant as the stopgap prior to the Su-50 PAK FA reaching IOC circa 2015 with one or two frontline squadrons of the same fighter regiment (a VVS equivalent to a USAF fighter wing).
Currently there is one active combat squadron equipped with the Su-35.
Unlike you I can read & comprehend. Everything of any reliability says that the 1st T-50/PAK FA prototype/test aircraft is currently under construction. That makes it many years behind where the F-35 is at right now.
The article posted by medal64 makes it clear that Russia will be procuring Su-35s until at least 2015 since the T-50/PAK FA will not be ready until at least that time. By the time the T-50/PAK FA is possibly (it could take longer) ready for procurement/production the F-35 will be (according the the current schedule) at full rate production with ~230 procured & ~130 delivered (test & service aircraft) already.
Don’t know where you are getting this from. I didn’t say anything about the T-50/PAK FA being screwed – just that it will not enter service before the F-35.
The USN is only procuring additional F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to fill the gap left by losses & delays in the F-35C.
Definitely it won’t. That’s where the Gen 4.5 fighter stopgaps come in.
As long as it prolongs the Raptor’s monopoly of the skies for even just a month longer… ’till its stealth advantage is negated altogether.
And what if the Su-35 is exported to the air forces of rogue nations? That’s a catch-22 for the Raptor export lobby.
Now I don’t know what exactly do you mean. If course PAK-FA is behind the F-35 in schedule, it always was.. :confused: I don’t think Russians ever had any intention to make it complete before the F-35 or have I missed something?
Then we must have misunderstood each other. But I am not sure what is the big news, then. Has anyone here ever expected a series T-50 to appear before 2015? That would be a HUGE surprise to me.
BTW, it is pretty expected that VVS is procuring Su-35s. T-50 will not be able to replace all 31s and 27s. I think Russians might consider designing the T-50 as a compromise between F-35 and F-22 and to supplement the numbers with Su-35s instead of developing another light 5th gen fighter.
The Su-50 was actually meant to be a Raptorski. The first non-U.S. Gen 5 fighter to take to the skies, to counter the F-22 Raptor. The Indian Air Force wants their own customized two seater variant, under the name FGFA, Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, aka Su-50MKI.
Two things, Flanker threat is overblown, F-35 would have no problem handling it. It would be able to handle any of the missions that you just mentioned.
Second, I do agree F-22 would be a better option at this price, but you shouldn’t be using range as the reason.
That may not be the case, as the Lightning II lacks the maneuverability of the Flanker, but operating in conjunction with Raptors, that may be possible. The Flanker threat is accurately evaluated to be a dangerous threat.
Because the United States taxpayer has better things to do than bother with trivial things like international agreements?
Evidently you don’t get my point, no. I would have absolutely no issues with Japan buying the Raptor on principle, and agree that they would be extremely useful in Japanese air defense, but I do not know whether it is practical for an economy which shrank by three percent in a quarter to do so. The question I asked is what on Earth they would be doing penetrating an IADS given that the Japanese Constitution has a few things to say about that sort of behavior, and why they would need to given that it makes logical sense for the United States to continue basing Raptors in Japan whether or not Japan gets its own. As I’ve already said, what else are you going to do with them? Where else is there an air threat requiring a couple of squadrons of Raptors to contain? Alaska already has them and I’m unaware of any plans to deploy them in Europe (which would smack of an outdated Cold War mentality anyway).
Air superiority has to be maintained if you want to protect your ground and naval forces from enemy aerial assaults, but Japan has only a defensive doctrine.
The best circumstances the JASDF has to penetrate an enemy IADS, in this case, the DPRK’s, in order to eliminate a ballistic missile launch site with a nuke-tipped Taepodong bound for Tokyo, Operation Opera style, then the F-22J Japanese Raptor would be the weapon of choice.
Once you accept that the Japanese constitution permits Japan to act in self-defense (i.e. the current official interpretation), then you must accept that once Japan has come under attack (the crucial condition), destroying the airbases of the attacker, the launch sites of missiles aimed at Japan by the attacker, etc. is permitted. Since the attacker may have competent air defense . . . .
Relate it to my statement above. In the Operation Opera style scenario I envisioned, given the nuclear crises emanated from the perpetrator, the DPRK, Japan can and will assert the right to defend itself, and the JASDF would be up to the task of doing so.
BTW, if you want to see images of the F-22J Japanese Raptor, go to my gallery:
It makes sense that the aircraft did not have much of an IF signature for the PL-5s to pick. Does that explain why anti-drug aircraft of South America I have seen on the internet use cannon/machine guns? … … However, why didn’t the F-7s use their cannon?
An SLAF F-7 scored a gun kill on an LTTE light plane with its 30mm cannon.
I honestly don’t know what to think about Japan getting Raptors. On the one hand there is a good argument for it being the perfect counterbalance. On the other I have to wonder whether the JASDF will actually be able to support them if it gets them; $290 million is the starting price, and it only goes up from there. In an economy in dire financial straits I am concerned that they may end up taking on a burden that they can’t sustain; the last thing Japan needs is to pour dwindling funds into forty jets at the cost of things like missile defense.
I’m having a little difficulty thinking of a defensive operation where this is required.
The JASDF would, in the best case, assign the Japanese Raptors to their best trained pilots and they would be wisely used and carefully maintained.
I’m having a little difficulty thinking of a defensive operation where this is required.
A DPRK missile launch site carrying either a Nodong-1 or Taepodong-2 aimed at Tokyo would be the target. A preemptive strike, based on reliable intel, of course.
I think there will always be human in the Loop somewhere. But if you could have aircraft that can avoid SAM’s and other missiles by pulling extremely high G’s or maneuvers that would kill a pilot in the cockpit then that’s a good thing. I think we will also have long range high endurance aircraft that can stay up for day’s or weeks. I
What i imagine it will come down to will be: Is it worth taking the pilot out of the cockpit for each mission. Easy bombing missions like what predator does just now are fine. But you ask the troops and i bet they are glad they can have a manned aircraft fly low level over the enemy maybe fire the cannon a little to get the targets to surrender. It worked in Iraq.
If going into a high threat environment where a UCAV could go in bomb the target and get out pulling maneuvers that would kill a pilot then that what’s needed. But the technology to make aircraft do that will need to be invented first
We will not see UAV’s take over all roles in the next 100 years anyway.
I think it will depend on the mission but there will always be a human in the loop somewhere. I don’t think we will ever get the stage where you tell the computer wipe out a country or taliban for example and then all aircraft start charging out of hangers loading what arm’s they like and picking there own targets and taking off into the sunset.
Mind you Artificial intelligence is a interesting topic and who knows what it could do once you teach it how to learn. imagine something taking all the information on the Internet and making up its own mind as to what to do with it. Scary Stuff.
The human has many properties the intelligent supercomputer does not have.
UCAVs won’t completely replace manned fighters, but only to serve alongside manned fighters, and useful for high-risk tasks like Wild Weasel SEAD, strategic reconnaissance and dogfighting against advanced enemy fighters.
How is $290 million per plane a bargain? :confused:
It’s a ripoff on paper, but the ~40 Raptors can be delivered to Japan because it has paid government bonds to the United States, so it’s more of an exchange.
And JASDF needs something with F-22’s range because they have a really large land mass to protect. Oh wait, they don’t. Maybe they need it for offensive operations. Oh wait, they got that thing called the constitution.
290 million for F-22 is a bargain. Japan should just pay it with the treasury bonds :). Why would you need to smuggle $130 billion to Switzerland when you can buy 40 F-22s with 1/10 of that?
The JASDF brass know about the Flanker threat from the PLAAF and the VVS, operating from Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, along with the DPRK’s missile threat. They have the right to protect their country with this state-of-the-art Gen 5 fighter.
I don’t care how much of a force multiplier the plane is, you still need at least 48 of them in order to be effective. That’s like 13 billion dollars! And they’d be paying more to get less since it will be a less sophisticated version then the US one. Japan would be better off buying something like the Eurofighter + Meteor for air superiority and some JSF for air to ground capabilities. These two aircraft will be more then enough to face China in case of war (an unlikely event anyway) or North Korea (much more likely). They’d also be significantly cheaper. The F-22 seems to be a luxury that even the US can’t afford (at the numbers it wants), and we have the biggest military defense budget in the world!
The USAF brass want the air force to have the quantities of Raptors as they like (e.g. 450).
The Raptor is the best choice for the JASDF, albeit in a customized F-22J variant, with some Japanese avionics made by Sony, Sanyo, Toshiba, Hitachi, whatever, and compatibility with indigenous AAMs.
Why? So it can penetrate an IADS without detection and survive.
But what do you think about UCAVs replacing manned fighters altogether?
I think they should never replace manned fighters altogether, although the two can coexist and cooperate, like UCAVs being used for Wild Weasel missions.
The MQ-9 Reaper is designed for CAS, not air superiority, and it would be comical to see a Reaper go up against a jet fighter, because the UCAV pilot does not have the same field of vision as that of a fighter pilot in his/her cockpit.