Right,”mature hat” back on.
BAE have done a lot of work on flexible solutions to the VLO unmanned question though haven’t they, so we aren’t starting from scratch.
Regarding my statement above, Telemos was really supposed to be a MALE UAV, I’ve never seen anything about it being able to operate in contested airspace, are we trying to rival the USN’s UCLASS programme for scope? That quote about contested airspace all sounds a bit mission creep to say the least.
“Longer-term, the Scavenger programme should deliver a more capable successor for worldwide use, he says, noting: “[The] Reaper would not be able to operate in a high air-threat environment.”
So a long range VLO system then?
Sounds like a long range VLO money pit.
-The U.S Navy’s unmanned carrier launched airborne surveillance and strike (UCLASS) program has evolved to call for a jet that is much larger and much more capable than what was envisioned just six months ago, Navy officials told USNI News.
“We’re talking about a 70,000- to 80,000-pound airplane,” Rear Adm. Mike Manazir, the Navy’s director of air warfare said in a 20 December interview. “We’re talking [Grumman F-14] Tomcat size.”
http://news.usni.org/2013/12/23/navy-uclass-will-stealthy-tomcat-size
That sounds ambitious and horrifically expensive.
It doesn’t make sense
UK Military capabiliyt/spending plans don’t have to make sense, they should, but they don’t.
What has Vikramaditya to do with Indian preference for STOBAR? Vikrant is also going to be STOBAR because of Vikramaditya? Is QE holding back the RN locking them into STOBAR? Are the rest of the Navies, including USN, who are going to use STOBAR with F-35, held back? What does a “flashier” fighter mean? Are you saying that MiG is no better than SHAR and worse than F-35 or they are all equally bad? What prevents using MiG-29 with CATOBAR, if that would have been the preference of the Indian Navy?
QE isn’t STOBAR and the USN isn’t using STOBAR either.
thanks for that
but is the system a going concern and could it be fitted in the future I only ask as this is a autonomous system – one which does not need any external information to engage threats and one that if fitted to a OPV-90 or MHPC would extend its self defence out to 5/6 miles and would not need all the ships of a class to be fitted with combat management systems to achieve this as the system could be loaded on/off a ship as the duty needed
Sea Ram has been installed on USS Independence class.
when looking around I have seen seaRAM was tested on HMS York dose anyone know if this system is up and running or has gone by the wayside as it seems to me that if the MHPC where fitted for Phalanx/searam on top of the hangar and say the navy got 6 systems for the 16 ships it could be away of up gunning a ship if sent in to medium threat duties
We didn’t buy it, RN either weren’t sufficiently impressed by it or decided that it wasn’t worth sacrificing money committed elsewhere.
Why did the RAF buy the 40-50 year old RC-135, instead of developing a Joint European ELINT/SIGNT aircraft based on an Airbus design?
1) Because they can’t afford it.
2) Maybe there wasn’t any potential European partners that also wanted to share the cost.
It replaces the Nimrod R1.
To be honest I’m a little surprised that BAE don’t have a design for a modified Amazonas with a hanger already, I know nobody has ordered one but it looks like an obvious gap in their portfolio.
I’d guess at the BAe 90 metre OPV design, shown on their website.
I’d put money on it, it would be a shame though because it would mean they won’t have a hanger or the legs that would enable the chance to free up some taskings from the escort fleet.
we know Portsmouth will not build anymore ships (which is a 100% political move and a retarded one at that) . we also know that the River Class are only 10 years old and one of the most cost affective ships the navy have so to replace them after just 17 year ?
as for MHCP a lot of work looking into what this ship should be has been done this is not a new idea the MHCP program has been around for many years and in stead of building ships for the sake of it we should build what we need
Work has been done, but we don’t have a ship designed that can do it yet, in fact since all the forcus has been on Type 26 I doubt we are anywhere near a finalised design for MHCP, so no chance of MHCP being brought forward and plugging this gap.
I 100% agree that we shouldn’t be building things that we don’t need and with a bit of foresight this gap would be filled with something that we have a need for, but that’s defence playing in the UK, total cluster****.
These ships should be built with the mind set that they will be the first of the MHCP class of ships with six ships ordered with 3 being built in Portsmouth as well as the 3 in the Clyde
Portsmouth is not going to be building warships anymore, it will only be a maintenance and repair facility, they will all be built on the Clyde, announced as of yesterday. These ships are stop gaps in the order books of BAE, as such they need to be either almost complete or completed designs, so no chance for them to have anything to do with the as of yet undesigned MHCP class.
About time.
But if we were seriously looking for replacements for either of those right now we could have just converted Largs Bay instead of flogging her off to save a few quid.