TEEJGermany had excelent pilots but you are right in the western front the Luftwaffe was uncapable to beat the Us and England.
That was a matter of numbers, in Russian was different because Germany destroyed many I-16s on the ground, but once Russia got better fighters they reversed the course of the war.
Germany`s Luftwaffe fought in Holland, Belgium, Greece, Spain, France, Poland, Yugoslavia, England, Norway, Russia, Ukraine, Libya and few words Germany fought many air forces and defeated most of them.
Same is Japan.
England during the battle of England hardly could rotate pilots.
One of the reason the US pilots rotated pilots is simply the sheer numbers they had of aircraft.
neverthelss hardened battle pilots in the Luftwaffe were good pilots.In the Korean war experience gave to the americans some edge against less experienced north Korean and Chinese pilots
experience is quit important to give the skills needed.
The ‘Battle of England’ ???
TEEJA-2-S: I think cruise missiles will be used but will have limited impact on the air defense assets because of the lack of intelligence..
On the MiG-31 Qtn here is a link:
http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=645
There have been sporadic reports about Mig31 presence over Iran. The most recent report which was provided by UAE Air Force officials told the story of one of their pilots who could spot a fast flying Iranian fighter close to the Abu Musa Island in the Persian Gulf. The UAE pilot could clearly see the Iranian fighter flying in parallel and after a short period turning deeply into the Iranian airspace. The pilot who was on a routine surveillance and photography mission could not take any pictures of the fighter but he was almost sure it was a Mig31 and not a F-14, Su27 or Mig 29 which normally appear in the Iranian sky.
Israeli defense analysts have long tried to find out about the current capabilities of the Iranian Air Force and has therefore installed highly sensitive radars in the Iraqi Kurdistan close to Iran in order to better study the Iranian radar grids after the failed US unmanned flights into Iran which had the purpose to provoke the Iranians to turn on their radars in order for Americans to study the Iranian radar grids. However the Iranians never turned on their radars and in some rare cases they only turned on fixed radar batteries on a point wise fashion(one at a time) in order to just track the intruder’s path without giving any information about the networked air defense system.
Once the presence of Israeli experts and equipments inside Iraqi Kurdistan was confirmed in September the Iranians continue to keep their ground radar systems off, but instead increased their aerial presence in order to ensure the enemy understands the Iranian air defense system is not purely relying on its ground network. The Iranian F-14s were flying 2-3 times the normal rate at high altitudes inside Iran close to the Western and South-Western border. This was combined by high level of activities of low flying Iranian F-4s and F-5s ensuring visual contact with any low flying object entering Iranian airspace. As the Israelis and Americans were collecting data on Iranian radar capabilities, during a night in October, they could, for up to 15 minutes, spot four high flying objects close to the Iranian Western border with their radars on. The surprising fact was that the airplanes were present at an even distance of 200 km from each other and covering an amazing area of 900 kilometers from Northwest to the Southwest border of Iran by hooking up their radars. The experts were shocked by this exercise which obviously and purposefully sent out a message to the other side ensuring the attackers understand the Iranian aerial radar capabilities could during a high-alert situation become active in minutes and cover a large area.
Later on the experts were confused on how the Iranians could achieve such a degree of aerial radar capabilities as their current stock of fighters did not have any such capability. As they continued to look for an answer they could all agree on the fact that the non-confirmed Mig31 must be present in the Iranian Air Force’s inventory as that would be the only potential aircraft in Iran capable of hooking its radar and covering such a vast area.
Next you’ll be dragging out the photoshops of Iranian Tu-22M3! Iran has absolutely no MiG-31s in their inventory. The same goes for any opertional S-300 system. None of those appear on any threat list for the region. There is a good reason for that as none of them exist in Iranian operational service.
Stop living in a dream world! For the Iranians to operate such systems they have to train and operate them as part of their integrated defence system. And neither do they have operational MiG-25 courtesy of the Iraqis. Yet another rumour some individuals believe. It was exactly the same pre-Allied Force with fantasy claims of what the Serbs possessed.
TEEJThat’s not true. ASCC did provide pretty much all of the codenames. The US DoD provided the numerical systems. For example:
AA-1 ALKALI
AA-1 was the DoD designation, ALKALI was the ASCC codename.
It should be noted that when you talk about SAMs, the DoD designator denotes the system, the ASCC codename denotes the actual interceptor. So, if you’re talking about a GRUMBLE, you’re actually talking about a 5V55-series missile.
The ASCC is assigned the following and nothing else:
FSU Fighters
FSU Bombers
FSU Cargo/Transports
FSU Helicopters
FSU Miscellaneous
PRC Fighters
PRC Bombers
PRC Cargo/Transports
PRC Helicopters
PRC Miscellaneous
What you are hinting at are the early years before the ASCC was assigned solely the above list. All the rest of the ‘NATO codenames’ are evolved from a number of different committees and working groups. These are not controlled by ASIC (ex ASCC) and there is no cross over. For example it is not ASCC that issued GARGOYLE. Neither does ASCC issue any class designations for ships etc and they also do not designate for radar codenames. There is a clear designation system and ASCC (now ASIC) were assigned the list above and absolutely nothing else. SOC you serve and should know this situation. Although you’ll find nothing on the web officially of this designation system you can get a hint of the various working groups and committees that exist from this website:
TEEJGORGON. And the first picture shows the GAZELLE transloader.
Sorry, but I don’t know the location of the display missile. IIRC, I got the pic from a Russian website.Yes, but what did it look like? 😀
Oh, and does the V-1000 have an ASCC designation? 😮
Plus one more picture for sferrin.
ASCC is now ASIC as of 2005. ASCC did not designate missiles, radars etc. Different working groups designate those. ASCC, now ASIC, designate aircraft/helos only.
TEEJAnyway, anyone want to my obvious question from earlier? If it was real, who moved the camera up to film the lander as it took off?
NASA leave a cameraman behind ?
The camera was remote controlled from Mission Control. Even Surveyor 1 lunar lander probe in 1966 had remotely controlled cameras. Why do individuals persist with these type of idiotic questions thinking that they have “caught” NASA out?
TEEJTEEJ , Have a look here[/QUOTE]
Sorry. Just another link reporting the wrong designation!
TEEJAll you are funny optimists, guys, and I marvel your good mood! Unfortunately you don’t understand what really DETERRENCE means! It doesn’t matter how many warheads country possesses in its arsenal when the war begins! You are constantly writing here Russia will have 1500-2000 strategic nukes in its arsenal after 2015. I am sure you are completely wrong but I don’t want to persuade you indefinitely that about 500 nukes is everything what Russia will be able to deploy. So, I stay with my opinion and for ten years we can verify who was right! 🙂
So, if Russia has 500 strategic warheads on less than 200 delivery vehicles after 2015, how many of them will survive after absorbing US fist strike??? Maybe ten or twenty and that is all! As I pointed out above such a strike could be mounted by several B-2s armed with CONVENTIONAL PGMs! Well, it is easy to imagine some fictional scenario: after unexpected US attack Putin will rest with only 20 nukes. The US President will call to Kremlin and tell Putin: “Well baby – game is over! I have already wiped out your nuclear arsenal almost entirely and thus now I have ONE HUNDERD TIMES more nukes than you and NMD system in reserve, of course. Don’t dare to cross nuclear threshold because you know very well who is now “DUKE of NUKE”! So, you have to allow US Army to deploy occupation garrisions at all your oilfields or I will obliterate entire your country into stone age, buddy!”. I am sure PRC President will call to Putin also with similiar demands! And what Putin could do in this situation? I think he could only hoist white flag! 🙁PS. Be sure, Austin – SS-N-30 will be equipped with maximum FOUR warheads, exactly like SS-N-23! Of course, it CAN carry up to ten MIRVs but SS-27 CAN also deliver SIX warheads! Unfortunately all deployed SS-27s are single warhead missiles – a very strange situation…Well, it only proves that composition of future Russian nuclear arsenal must be planned somewhere near Pentagon! :diablo:
Guys,
Will you stop listening to Jane’s? The 3M-14E carries the designation SS-NX-30. Bulava has not been designated. Jane’s started the mis-identification and it snowballed from there.
TEEJIndian Navy removes INS Trishul’s captain
INS Magar explosion – sailors killed and injured
TEEJI am of the opinion that the engines need to be overhauled(last time i heard we obtained the RD-33s was in the mid 90s when they got smuggled in the trucks over the border with Romania) and the electronics which will get somehow updated.The airframes shouldnt be in that bad shape.And when you divide 10 mil by 5 airplanes you get 2 mil per plane which is i think an ok price since we arent going to fly them every day,just to keep the pilots more or less capable.
Now Mig-21 airframes are too old and Mig-29 are going to be phased out in 5 or so years.
What is the state of the ex-Romanian airframes? I always thought it would have been a good idea for Serbia to have bought some of those. At least good for a spares source, if not to bolster the existing fleet when it was operational. Has Romania scrapped them, stripped them or are they still relatively intact?
TEEJSame thing… TJ knew in advance the guy wouldn’t know, and then he could make himself look smart and Serbs look stupid by correcting him. The question was intended to provoke in order to turn this into another Serb-bashing thread. Same thing in this thread.
Slobo,
A bit paranoid there? Why are you even bringing up nationality? The kid did know as he presented his research into the subject in post number 34 of this thread. The young man is obviously under many false illusions in regards to events that took place during Allied Force. I challenged him due to the information that he presented and nothing else.
TEEJthat seems to be like a very reasonable and frank summary above.
Not really. No NATO aircraft were written off due to damage in combat. All this complete garbage of ‘we’ll know the truth in 20-30 years’ is simply a pipe dream. Aircraft took nicks and damage, but none were written off from any NATO inventory. How are those losses being covered up? Simple answer, they are not. Get over it guys!
Think how many governments took part in combat ops? Consider how many of those administrations have changed hands and still not one airframe has come to light as missing or written off, other than those already in the public eye? All those national audit offices in democratic countries and still no official or group has uncovered missing airframes that don’t match up to board of enquiries on loss? Consider how many people who would love to rub Clinton’s nose in it with a list of undisclosed airframes lost while he was commander in chief?
Just on the monetory value alone a missing airframe story to a magazine such as AFM would make a tidy sum. AFM has already back in 1999 stated in print ‘was there more aircraft lost?’ I believe it was Alan Warnes who wrote that in an article? It’s now coming up for 7 years since the start of the conflict and still not one lost airframe has come to light? Another avenue to go down is ejection seat manufacturers records from that period. Are they all part of the cover up as well? Sorry to those ‘undisclosed NATO losses’ guys, but they just didn’t happen.
TEEJhow could they shot down 12 migs 29s if they only bought 16 of them and 5 are still alive today and what is that reliable site called… and i dont think canada shot down really anything maybe a g-4 glaeb or j-22 orao but most of them were shot down by the US or Nato either in the air or on the ground the 12migs u talk about there dummys some of them but the the 11 migs were diestoyed by the US or Nato but to canada they think they detsroyed does mig 29s were made out of wood so they look like the real thing and it wasent beacuse u cant see if its the real thing in the air only on ground but i that case you didnt see it on the ground and could u post the link of the reliable site.
SerbMig,
He’s being sarcastic!
TEEJsome wrecks
Third one along looks like the remains of an Iraqi Sea King.
TEEJAnd also do u think the goverment is going to give out loud that thay shot down one of those i only know this beacuse my uncle was posted near the shotdown area and soldiers told him that american stealth b-2 bomber was shot down and also not even america or the english say what they have shot down all maybe shot down but not what they have lost.
And nobody had a camera or video? RTS was not invited to film it? Nobody got the serial? SerbMiG, do do realise how much a video or photographic record of a B-2A Spirit wreckage would fetch? There has also been people like yourself claiming similar wrecks of heavy strategic nuclear bombers inside Serbia. You are not the first and will not be the last.
Djorde Pavicevic has already been on forums claiming that he knows of a B-52H wreck was found in Serbia. Same old fantastic claims, with absolutely nothing to back up except rumour and rumour control. Ask your dad and uncles again about their claims. Detail them with dates, locations and do some research yourself. Visit the areas and interview the locals. Maybe you can find pieces of the wreckage yourself? Maybe some of the locals found pieces and kept them? SerbMig, why not start a campaign on all of the Yugoslav aviation forums? SerbMig, be the one who breaks this massive conspiracy theory! SerbMig, be brave the truth is out there!
TEEJI have read recntly that the serbian defecne minister visited Batajenica Airbase to see what are the aircraft condiotion and its been anounced that the MIG 29 Fleet is being upgraded to a brand new overhaul and very limited equipping of the planes with NATO/ICAO-compatible communication, navigation and identification equipment required for participation on NATO/Partnership for Peace (PfP) exercises.
And also a An-26 curl be upgraded to put a brand new over haul the upragdes are going to be performed in Russia and i think the an-26 overhaul will be done in Sebria. Also Speaking about the future of the Serbian and Montenegrin Air Force, Defence Minister Stankovic also revealed his intentions to ask the Serbian Ministry of Interior to hand over to the Air Force its two Mi-17 Hip-H helicopters and two Mi-24V Hind-E combat helicopters that have been extensively used until 2003 by the Serbian Ministry of Interior State Security Directorate. Those helicopters are now grounded and waiting for overhaul that Serbia-Montenegrin Ministry of Defence is interested to finance if the Serbian Ministry of Interior agrees to transfer these helicopters to Serbian-Montenegrin military.
SerbMiG,
How many L-18s do you think survived the conflict in 1999?
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