TEEJI always thought that the ruling came from the MOD , that servicemen should not be served in uniform , all servicemen are told this , booze in civvies only , and most breweries follow this up in staff /manager training ,
You are correct on the ruling and it doesn’t matter if alcohol is involved. The same happened during 2009 after a military funeral and got blown out of all proprotion. The MoD regulations are clear on wearing uniform in public and in regards to licensed premises.
I agree it is a contentious issue. I’ve been to several military funerals whilst serving and as a group we didn’t push our luck in licensed premises whilst in uniform. Regardless of the occasion wearing uniform in bars or public houses is not permitted. Unfortunately there is no exemptions except where the chain of command is involved and permission is granted by the licence owner.
The incident during 2009 and this one could have been avoided with a bit of pre-planning by the Chain of Command or by the senior rank in the group. I re-emphasis that it is difficult situation and especially involving military funerals but why put the owners of licensed premises under such pressure?
Army’s Briefing Note ABN 31/08 clearly states:
c. Occasions on which uniform is not to be worn, unless specifically approved by the Chain of Command:
(1) When visiting public houses.
RAF regs
0113.
Occasion on which uniform is not to be worn.
b. Visits to licensed premises (including when not consuming alcohol), except when specifically approved by the Chain of Command.’
TEEJYugos also managed to shoot down several American planes including an F-16C and 2 A-10s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War
Only two manned aircraft were shot down by the Yugoslavs during 1999. F-16 and F-117. Your claim of the second F-117 being hit by AAA is also incorrect as it was revealed by the US to have been damaged by a SAM.
Jun 9, 1999 Operation Allied Force ended. More than 800 SAMs were fired at NATO aircraft, but only one F-117 and one F-16 were downed. Another F-117 suffered minor damage from a SA-3 that exploded nearby and two A-10s were damaged by anti-aircraft artillery fire. During the campaign, 35,219 sorties were flown, 16,587 non-precision guided missiles and 6,728 precision guided missiles (23,315) were dropped
http://ipv6.af.mil/information/heritage/milestones.asp?dec=1990&sd=01/01/1990&ed=12/31/1999
From
No A-10s were downed but two were combat damaged.
One A-10, serial 81-0967, was hit by a SAM and shed its right engine nacelle over Kosovo. The A-10 made an emergency landing in Macedonia and was repaired. The right engine nacelle came down in Kosovo and is on display in the Kalemegdan Fortress Museum.
http://aupress.au.af.mil/digital/pdf/book/b_0090_haave_haun_a10s_over_kosovo.pdf
See page 109 ‘Hit by a SAM Maj Phil “Goldie” Haun’
Also see page 313
On 2 May, an A-10 AFAC was struck by an SA-14 infrared-guided SAM and was forced to recover at Skopje AB, Macedonia. On 11 May, another A-10 AFAC was struck beneath the cockpit by a mobile SAM; fortunately, that missile failed to detonate, and the jet was able to recover to Gioia.
A-10, serial 81-0988, combat damaged over Kosovo on 11 May 1999
1999 RAF yearbook (p. 46) details Capt. Short’s encounter with the SAM:
“Amongst the many encounters by the 81st FS was one on 11 May, when a pair of OA-10s were performing an airborne FAC mission over eastern Kosovo. Pilots Capt. Chris Short, and his wingman Col. Greg Sanders, entered their designated box area from the south and were notified by an E-3 to search for a possible Serbian helicopter. After 15 minutes of fruitless search, they discovered a possible tank revetment south of Pristina airfield. A Maverick missile was fired at the site, although it was not possible to determine if the tank had been successfully hit. The pilots radioed the position of the tank revetment to another FAC team, and departed the area. The A-10s then flew to another location, where earlier in the day two camouflaged APCs had been reported. Two vehicles were detected, but due to low fuel reserves, the pilots were only able to perform two attacks. Capt. Short rolled his A-10 towards the vehicle and fired a Maverick, scoring a direct hit. The second aircraft aimed for the other vehicle, and also fired a Maverick which missed its target. The two aircraft then climbed to altitude to return to the tanker before continuing their patrol. While in the climb, Capt. Short experienced a ‘thump’ on the underside of the fuselage behind the seat. As a defensive measure both aircraft ejected self protection flares. Neither Col. Sanders or Capt. Short could find any damage to their aircraft, so the two pilots resumed their flight after refuelling from the tanker. The two aircraft completed their mission, which included delivering Mk82 bombs onto a Serb target in Kosovo. The aircraft then returned to Gioia del Colle. It was only after taxing into the de-arming area that personnel noticed damaged to the underside of the A-10. The FM antenna had been torn away, and there was a large dent on the underside and a black scorch mark. A SAM is believed to have exploded nearby, with Capt. Short having a lucky escape”
Combat damage to A-10, serial 81-988 at following link.
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/78013_82512329_A-10_81-0984_11.May1999..jpg
81-0967 damage and repair image links.
http://www.thewarthogpen.com/81_0967_files/81-0967.html
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/78013_618669629_A-10_FT967_Skoplje5.jpg
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/78013_618669629_A-10_FT967_Skoplje6.jpg
http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs/78013_618669629_A-10_FT967_Skoplje7.jpg
TEEJTEEJWho would sell it to them? The only country I could think of is North Korea which isn’t saying much.
The supply of jammers to Iraq had the US finger pointing at Russian firm Aviaconversiya Ltd.
The smuggling by air gets a mention in the Iraq Survey Group Final Report
TEEJyou talking about that wolf guy?
SSSETOWTF
Hopefully you can view his posting history?
TEEJThe crazy claim of the Turkish opposition leader has been re-buffed by the Russian Navy.
http://rusnavy.com/news/newsofday/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15441
As was told Central Navy Portal by NF Press Service, destroyer (large ASW ship) Admiral Chabanenko is currently “far from Syria. Our ship does not have a fantastic capability of hitting targets in Eastern Mediterranean being stationed in the homebase”, the Russian Navy spokesman said.
According to information available to Central Navy Portal, destroyer Admiral Chabanenko is currently moored at NF main base Severomorsk.
They also highlight the last warship to visit Syria was the Smetlivy. This has since returned to Sevastopol.
The latest Russian warship visiting Tartus was destroyer Smetlivy patrolled Syrian coast in the spring 2012.
The only Russian Navy vessel of any significance in Syria is the floating workshop PM-138. Well it was there on the 22nd June when it sent its Morse Code weather transmission.
10201 Kilohertz
RCV DE RBIZ 22001 99349 10358 22200
34.9N 35.8E Hove to Tartus, Syria.
TEEJThanks. Looked at the above, but it’s as clear as mud.
Posted lots of pics on another site without this problem ever appearing.
Clearly my plans to post many more photos on this site will have to be given up.
Cabbage
Have they been deleted/removed by the forum?
You do know that there is an Airshow Photography section?
TEEJMasum Türker, Turkish leader of DSP (Democratic Left Party) said on local station ΤV8 that RF-4E was shot down from Russian vessel “Admiral Çapanenko” of the class Udaloy II that was happened to be in the area of the incident…
Good grief! How do these conspiracy guys get it so wrong? :rolleyes: How did the Admiral Chabenenko get to Syria/Syrian waters with nobody noticing?
I feel bad for the Russian Navy spokesman who is constantly having to release statements in regards to the spurious movements and deployments that the conspiracy loons generate!
The Smetlivy returned from Syria and the Mediterranean at the end of May without replacement.
http://rusnavy.com/news/newsofday/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15237
Vice Admiral Kulakov is on anti-pirate convoy duty in the Red Sea/Horn of Africa
http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15438
The only Russian Navy vessel in Syria/Syrian waters is the Floating Workshop PM-138 and possibly the intelligence collection vessel, Kildin. The Tanker Iman reported in the following along with Smetlivy have since returned to the Black Sea Fleet.
TEEJCan anyone explain why my pictures have dissappeared from this posting?
Have you exceeded your bandwidth? Normally it shows a warning on the image link.
http://support.photobucket.com/entries/21101931-bandwidth-exceeded-look-who-s-popular
TEEJWhat is suspect to me is that there is no mention of the crew of the Turkish plane whatsoever.
Nic,
You are seriously lost in the world of conspiracy. Of course there are media snippets and mention of the attempts to find and rescue the crew. Try a little harder and keep away from the conspiracy drivel websites. Did you get the QF-4 idea from the Above Top Secret forum? If I can make a guess you also have questions about aviation during 9/11? Nothing would surprise me. Any Thierry Meyssan books on your shelf?
Both crew of the Phantom have been named. Will you be claiming that they don’t actually exist or will you be suggesting that they met a more sinister fate? The mind really does boggle with you conspiracy driven guys!
The Fathers of both missing crew members have commented.
What next from you, Nic? :rolleyes:
TEEJWhich as I’ve already said, proves absolutely nothing. Someone fired a gun. So what?
Correct, but I think that you were too quick to go down the line that it wasn’t AAA with your quote that you picked up from a claimed former Serb soldier. Add to that that you were thinking that the flash was the F-4 coming down on Syrian soil and me think that you were rather too quick to put an input on the video. Yes someone fired a gun, but it is relevant as it was consistent with a AAA weapon rather than just random small arms fire. It could very well be a trigger happy gunner celebrating the info passed down the line of the F-4 engagement? I’m not looking for an argument over the issue.
TEEJBut both sides agree that it came down in the sea, & are looking for wreckage. So either both the Turks and Syrians are lying (& why would the Syrians lie if they shot it down on land?), or that is not the F-4 being shot down.
I thought that is was fairly obvious when I posted the video link that it contained the flash from a AAA weapon?
That burst in the video is consistent with a ZU for example.
TEEJWas reading news that allegedly the syrians opened fire on another Turkish aircraft, was it another recce Phantom? Does that meen it penetrated syrian territory AGAIN? Another navigational mistake?
It is in reference to the CASA sent out on a search mission for the crew of the Phantom.
Mr Arinc says Syria also fired on a rescue plane that was searching for the jet’s two missing crew.
“One of our CASA planes took off with a rescue team. Unfortunately, shots from the ground targeted our plane,” he said.
“Our foreign ministry and our military command notified Syrian authorities and this harassment ceased immediately.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-26/turkey-says-syria-fired-on-second-turkish-plane/4092266
‘Syria shot at second plane, Turkey says’
TEEJThe Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman has revealed that the aircraft was downed by anti-aircraft fire and not by a radar-guided missile.
BEIRUT (Reuters) – Syrian air defenses had to react immediately to a Turkish jet flying at 100 meters altitude inside Syrian airspace in what was “a clear breach of Syrian sovereignty”, Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi said on Monday.
“Syria reacted to the breach,” he told a news conference about the incident on Friday. “We had to react immediately, even if the plane was Syrian we would have shot it down,” he added.
Makdissi said the jet — a Turkish airforce F4 Phantom — was shot down by anti-aircraft fire, not by a radar-guided missile. Despite the incident Syria remains committed to a “neighborly relationship” with Turkey, Makdissi said.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47944631
Link to video. Obviously the authenticity is hard to confirm.
TEEJThe fact that the same scenario that happened in Libya rings a bell, and makes my brains screem “STAGED STAGED STAGED”.
Nic
Oh good grief you were serious! Staged? :rolleyes: It shows you how far a die-hard conspiracy minded brain will take things to. Yes there are conspiracy loons out there that still don’t believe that two Libyan Pilots defected with their Mirage F.1s to Malta.
The same ‘scenario’. Really? It isn’t unprecedented for aircrew to make a point of protest and fly their aircraft out. It happened in the late 1990s with Albanian aircrew refusing orders and flying their aircraft to Italy.
Why is it so hard to comprehend that aviators would take such action as a form of protest? In the case of the Syrian Pilot he is a high ranker and his actions have made him a hero in the eyes of those protesting against the Syrian Government. Such high profile defections make the news and grab the worlds attention. If he was just to abandon his post and defect internally to the FSA then it wouldn’t have the same impact.
It also forces the Governments to acknowledge the fact that the defection has taken place and ask for their property back. That also plays out on the world stage as Malta refused all attempts by the then Libyan Government to return their property much to their annoyance. Will the Jordanians impound the MiG or seek UN assistance over the matter?
So Nic, is your brain still screaming? Are you still suggesting/hinting that the MiG-21 isn’t Syrian? :rolleyes:
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