I expect that they will be around until the Hawk T.1s are retired. Once 2018 comes that will be it. There isn’t enough Hawk T.2 airframes for the Reds to be able to operate them and provide airframes for RAF Valley.
2018 is still a long way off who knows there might be an additional order. Who knows?
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/4059/response/10262/attach/html/3/JGR.doc.html
TJ
The integration of a reconnaissance pod on RAF Typhoons has been in the pipeline for sometime.
From 2004.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmselect/cmdfence/45/4102003.htm
‘Q107 Mike Gapes: Good. What about the reconnaissance role? What is going to happen to that?
Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup: Of course we already have the Tornado GR4 with its raptor pod which provides us with an excellent tactical reconnaissance capability. The role which is currently fulfilled by the Jaguar will be taken on by the Harrier which can carry the joint reconnaissance pod. We have other more strategic reconnaissance assets of course and in due course we plan to incorporate the reconnaissance role into Typhoon. At the moment that is not at the top of the priority list, but it will be there in due course.
Q108 Mike Gapes: That role that is currently Jaguar will be taken on in a different way?
Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup: It has been taken on by the Harrier in the short term.
Q109 Mike Gapes: But only by the Harrier?
Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup: The Harrier will be operating the reconnaissance sensor that the Jaguar currently operates alongside the Harrier. We already have the Tornado GR4 which will continue with its raptor pod and then in due course we will feed in the reconnaissance capability of the Typhoon as well.
Q110 Mike Gapes: How do you envisage the role of the Typhoon in operations such as the US Airforce is currently undertaking at Fallujah? Would it have a role in operations of that kind?
Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup: I would not want to comment on specific operations or Fallujah. What I would say is that Typhoon would have a role across the operational spectrum. It will have a precision attack capability, it will have an air defence capability, in due course it will have a reconnaissance capability, and our intention is to build out of this programme a highly capable, adaptable, agile aircraft that we can use across a wide range of situations.’
TJ
I tried looking on th AFM website but without luck, can anybody post a picture or two of this beast?
ZK071 passing through Malta back in June.
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image91757.html
ZK072 passing through Malta back in June.
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/image91563.html
ZK069, ZK070, ZK073 and ZK074 at Warton.
http://www.airfighters.com/photosearch.php?reg=ZK069
http://www.airfighters.com/photosearch.php?reg=ZK070
http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=ZK073
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neilbury/4757788349/
TJ
Question is: do they plan to have QRA Typhoons on Leuchars…? The Telegraph article seemed to suggest no.
That Conigsby is the main Typhoon base is nothing new. But i don’t like it being the ONLY base. Conigsby already has 3 squadrons + OEU and OCU.
Leuchars had to deploy 2 Sqns.Questions are:
Sqns numbers: likely to drop to 4 if the number of Typhoons drops even lower as it is suggested.
Coverage: Leuchars based planes are indispensable. A QRA detachment of 4 planes is the bare minimum needed.
Costs: does basing everything to Conigsby generate savings…? Proportionally, support a detachment of 4 planes in the north may be inacceptably costly. Again, expanding Conigsby’s structures to make it capable to host decently a 107 planes force won’t be as much expensive as keeping two bases…?
Leuchars after all had 2 Sqns of F3 Tornado… it already has most structures needed.
Impact on economy: with Kinloss to go, Lossiemouth to close (at least until F35B eventually comes) and Leuchars closed or downrated so much… how much will it hurt the Moray economy?
And meanwhile, how many morons around Conigsby will bitch about having so much noise, so much personell and so many jets around…?All things considered, are we sure it is a move worth making…?
It is a newspaper report. You are reading far too much into it! There is really no point debating it until the SDR is implemented. The decisions will be made by those in power and unfortunately we just have to live with them.
TJ
Even if the base is active, the whole UK sky simply CAN’T be covered by planes coming from Conigsby.
2 bases, one north (Leuchars) and one south (Conigsby) are the BARE MINIMUM to ensure there’s a proper coverage of the nation.Can you see Typhoons scrambling with afterburners on all the way from Conigsby to the Shetlands to meet TU160s coming for their flights…?
Please, let’s be serious.
I can still see RAF Leuchars operational with a QRA detachment as a Forward Operating Base. RAF Coningsby will still be the main operations base.
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive.cfm?storyid=32988E9E-5056-A318-A8F8C032AD85BACB
TJ
I would say it was a fact that Iran has obtained bit and bobs of the S-300 system over the years including missiles for evaluation. Iran would have exploited the break up of the Soviet Union just the same as the UK/US and other western intelligence agencies. All Iran had to do was splash the cash the same as they did with the Ukrainian Kh-55s.
http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2005_05/Ukraine
TJ
Flogger wrote
no answer for that?
Why is that? Why do you find it acceptable to continually re-invent yourself once banned? It has been going on for years now. Isn’t it time to stop?
TJ
words mean nothing, pictures are everything. One sides say something the other says the opposite, pictures are the best proof, beyond computer graphics there is no proof of such histories.
A kill only can be proven with a picture and the other air force admitting the kill, video can be a captured pilot, the gun sight showing the aircraft in the other aircraft cross hairs or the wreckage in combat zone.
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Flogger (Kiwinopal),
How many different personalities do you want? 😉
http://forum.keypublishing.com/member.php?u=27118
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=101069
http://forum.keypublishing.com/member.php?u=27278
How many times have you been banned? Can you not take a hint?
TJ
Totaly agree with you, I think I saw first two episodes and never heard so much BS at all in my life from old and senile US pilots. Like that one where one US pilot talking about how he tried to save his wingman life quickly loosing fuel by “literally” pushing his tail with its own a/c nose after a battle with hords of Migs over Vietnam. 😀 Since then, I never watched that again.
Are you disputing Pardo’s Push?
http://www.airportjournals.com/Display.cfm?varID=0303003
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f4/pardopush.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20080204013921/http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1296/pardo.htm
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1996/October%201996/1096valor.aspx
The push was also conducted during Korea with two F-86s.
http://www.axpow.org/fighterpilotrobinsonrisner.htm
TJ
So does the FAB fly this particular Hunter or is it operated by Embraer?
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=78079
http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/hunter/survivor.php?id=491
TJ
Hunters are also still active on the UK military register. Serials ZZ190 and ZZ191 are two ex-Swiss Air Force Hunters F.58s.
http://www.hunterteam.com/main.htm
ZZ190 at RAF Waddington Airshow last weekend.


TJ
Why does it happen every year? There is always someone left looking like a numpty after an airshow rant!
Msf,
All you have to do is do a search on the web. Many enthusiast forums have dedicated airshow threads. Threads where updates come from the organisers, or specific display teams. On the various enthusiast forums you will also have specific airshow arrivals threads listing the aircraft by serial.
The RAF Merlin was withdrawn due to lack of serviceable aircraft.
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=12987
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=12987&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=725
The Black Cats were displaying at Goodwood on both days.
How did you miss the USAF assets at the airshow? The Waddington Airshow website provides an air show map. Surely there was also a map/leaflet supplied with your ticket?
http://www.waddingtonairshow.co.uk/displaysQ.asp
http://www.waddingtonairshow.co.uk/displays.asp?dID=2
http://www.waddingtonairshow.co.uk/displays.asp?dID=1
All this info available on a quick web search!
TJ
At least 2 of the above you mentioned cancelled last Wednesday
French E3F- Due to Operational Tasking
VC10- Aircraft Serviceabilitytwo others were……
Czech Mi24- Operational Requirment
French AF Alphajet Static- aircraft unavailableDid I not see 2 Navy Jetstreams arrive on Friday? or am I dreaming & I’m sure a Merlin flew or again am I in Lalaland?
I was there both days so can’t quiet remember what flew when other than I think the C17 was Sunday only.
Correct the C-17 was Sunday only. I saw at least one Royal Navy Jetstream arrive on Friday. The Royal Navy Merlin displayed on both days.
TJ
Alternatively they might just be’ left’ which is nothing unusual !! -It should be pointed out that various aircraft in Saddam’s fleet of decoys were destroyed by the Allies due to misidentification so maybe the Syrians view them as having a purpose!
A number of Iraqi Hunters, and other types, were destroyed by an AC-130 at H-2 airbase, Iraq March 2003.
Look away if you don’t want to see Hunters being used as target practice. Apologies to Merkle as an Su-7 is also hit!
Video at the following.
5.5MB download.
TJ
if that’s the case how is it relevent to naval strike wing other than a link up with RIAT’s battle of britain theme
Perhaps it is to commemorate a particular FAA Pilot loaned to RAF Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain? Some FAA Pilots served with 64 Squadron.
TJ