I refer you to the following two images.
The wreck that you have is the very bottom half of the King Air. All the stepped cockpit area is missing. What remains is the bottom half about the level of the wings. The rubber areas are not part of the cockpit, but the remains of the various hatches of the nose compartment area. Draw a line from the top of the wing to the point of the nose and it will show you what remains of the front nose area of the wreck.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Luwe-Flug)/Beech-C90A-King/1549610/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Beech-C90A-King/1631493/L/
TJ
Seawreck,
I’ve manipulated one of my images to show you the area that you have in your photo. Obviously this a late model King Air, but the nose is the same shape. See my attachment.
Link to your attachment.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=185538&d=1276515811
What you are failing to realise is that the stepped cockpit area is missing. What you have in the close-up image is the bottom half of the nose compartment area.
Original image.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/UK—Air/Raytheon-B200-King/1351872/L/
TJ
This is what we found…..
As you can see its crystal clear that it cant be a Beechcraft since there is no such a cockpit desin for these aircrafts.
Seawreck,
I refer you back to post #20.
The image that you are showing is NOT the cockpit area.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=185538&d=1276515811
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Beech-C90A-King/1631493/L/
TJ
Over G,
See the other post from Dice on the forum reference the videos and the 1979 report – post #121
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=5746&page=13
‘See A-10 Pilot’s Coloring Book’ – Tongue in cheek but provides the basics.
http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_053c.html
So essentially what you are saying it that the US tests and info passed to the pilots is all inaccurate? Every tank engaged by GAU-8 during Desert Storm just shook it off and continued as if nothing had happened? All the pilots, including Alfakilo, were simply shown ‘kids videos’, lied to and wasted their time training to engage MBTs with their GAU-8s?
All the Pilots, Crew Chiefs and Maintainers on the following forum were all living a lie?
http://www.a-10.org/phpbb2/index.php
Why not logon and run your theories past Dice-Man?
TJ
thanks for the links, halps alot!
what it seams the aircrafts makes one week at 27L and on monday changing to one week on 27R as i see.. unfortunetly the week of the airshows they arives on 27R which hatton is less affective this place. i see the Renaissance hotel is good spot, but unfortunetly the subway doesnt go there! πanother important issue, wheres the sun? what time is best to shoot from this spot of the day? when the quantas a380 araives?
No problem.
It is probably best to post such specific questions onto the following thread. It will get a greater civil aviation audience.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=6
Seek out some Heathrow photographers on the following and private message them?
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=31
TJ
Reference the stencilling on the turboprop engine nacelle? There is also a round/oval shaped access panel visible.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=185488&d=1276164532
See engine nacelle on Pegasus (King Air) with stencilling and round/oval access panels.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Navy/Beech-T-44A-Pegasus/1689765/L/
TJ
One of the ident features is the main undercarriage wheel wells. The wells feature a fairly unique cut-out/notch shape.
You can see it quite clearly on the following underside image of a King Air 90.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Moncton-Flight-College/Beech-C90A-King/1470471/L/
Direct link of image 2 on post #1. Notice the wheel well shape.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=185440&d=1276010620
There is a positive match-up of this unique wheel well shape.
It appears that out of the Beechcraft designs this cut-out/notch shape appears on the Beechcraft Twin Bonanza and Beechcraft Queen Air. The Twin Bonanza can be ruled out due to the turboprop engines on the wreck. Some Queen Airs did receive PT6 turboprops.
http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=327
Queen Air fitted with turbo-props and King Air windows.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Magic-Carpet/Beech-65-90-Queen/1567205/L/
You can see the notch shape which is reflected in the design of the main gear doors. The undercarriage doors are missing on the wreck.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA—Navy/Beech-T-44A-Pegasus/1689765/L/
Other types such as some Piper designs may have similar leading edge wing designs, but the undercarriage is entirely different. The wreck main undercarriage wheel wells exhibits all the traits of a Beechcraft design.
Piper Cheyenne from PC sim.
http://www.avsim.com/pages/0208/CheyenneX/gear%20retract%20wheel%20wells.jpg.jpg
TJ
That’s right..because they were diving from 700m over the target at a 45ΒΊ dive…:rolleyes:
If they killed tanks that was with the ‘maverick’ missile, not with the gun.
And actually there is no evidence for such claim, while there is a wide evidence for the AGM-65 used to kill tanks (static ones)
Who cares? all that matters is the penetration range, i mean..really who cares if were made with DU or W?
Hint: The round does not have enough penetration against a tank (yes the top armor)
Title : Combat Damage Assessment Team A-10/GAU-8 Low Angle Firings versus Individual Soviet Tanks.
‘Abstract : This report describes firings of the A-10/GAU-8 weapon system against individual combat loaded Soviet main battle tanks. The pilots making the firing passes attacked at low altitude and corresponding low dive angles simulating movement through a hostile air defense system. Ammunition used in the attacks comprised 30mm armor piercing incendiary rounds, which proved to be effective damage agents against substantial areas of the Soviet T-62 tanks used as targets. The pilots in six successful firing passes (one additional pass resulted in a miss) scored 95 impacts on target, which included 17 perforations through the armored envelope. The six tanks which were impacted received damage physically assessed as ranging from catastrophic in the case of two combat vehicles to negligible in the case of one tank attacked directly from the front. (Author)’
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA085713
Are you telling us that no A-10 Pilot obtained a tank kill with a GAU-8 during Desert Storm?
See post #62 – Dice was a Crew Chief on A-10s.
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=5746&page=7
GAU-8 testing videos.
http://www.thewarthogpen.com/videos.html
TJ
ftzvika wrote
thanks for the help.. but i still don’t know where to start.. where is hatton cros station? is it good spoting zone? will i be able to catch the big aircraft like 380 of australia? i’ve herd thayre landing in 27L?..is it posible to see there the touch down?(you know, the fog which comes out from the geers)
what do the BAA do if they came? can they take the camera and arrest ppl for spoting? is there places they just ask questions but leting go after it when they see it’s okay and not making a big deal for spoting person?
Google is your friend. A post on the commercial aviation section will also provide you with the details that you are seeking.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=heathrow+spotting
http://www.plane-mad.com/airport-spotting-guides/united-kingdom/london-heathrow-lhr-egll.html
http://www.plane-spotter.com/Airports/UK/LHR/SpotterGuide_LHR.pdf
http://www.photovation.net/Spotting/LHRFSet.htm
http://www.plane-spotting-hotels.com/plane_spotting_Heathrow.htm
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=6
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=31
TJ
Interesting find that it might be a two-seater. That would make it a Moujik and not a Fitter.
TJ
Thank you for that explanation, TJ.
No problem.
‘Unfortunately the Lancaster is unable to take part in the Queens Birthday Flypast on Saturday 12 June 2010 as following a routine check it has been found that due to normal wear and tear one of the undercarriage struts needs to be replaced. Due to the age of the aircraft this could not be made and fitted in time for the Flypast on Saturday. However, it is hoped that the aircraft will be back in the air, completing planned displays within a week.’
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive.cfm?storyid=02952607-5056-A318-A827496827EEB183
TJ
See following list by country.
http://aviation-safety.net/index.php
http://aviation-safety.net/database/country/
Greece – 56 entries.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/country/country.php?id=SX
I take it that you have reported the find to the authorities?
The other possibility is that it was an aircraft wreck originally placed for the diving community?
TJ
Here is a Beech 99
http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/beech99_3v.jpg
All the other photos I have seen show the 99 to have twin wheel main gear (the ones that tuck into the engine nacelle).
This wreck as a single wheel type for its main gear.
Also, notice the more elongated nose which in the drawing extends much further forward than the one in the wreck.
I agree. You can discount the Beech 99.
The aircraft is still 100% a Beechcraft type. Be it a military or civil variant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_King_Air
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Queen_Air
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Twin_Bonanza
TJ
I’m still not convinced that it’s a King Air as I recken the engine cowlings extend too far forward
The nose looks shortened because it appears that the nose cone is missing. You can also see that the second image does not show the proper perspective, possibly due to the angle taken or lens used? The first image shows the proper perspective in relation to the engine mounts and nose section.
Remember that the nose cone appears to missing from the wreck.

TJ
Lads,
Can you please focus on the cockpit photo? I agree that the majority fits for a Beechcraft.
BUT…..pay attention on the fact that there are no doors for the wheels as well as the cockpit seems to be a capsule.
I couldnt find any Beechcraft with that kind of features.
I agree with those who have identified it as a King Air. Depending on the age of the wreck it could also be a Beechcraft 99.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_Model_99
There is obviously extensive damage to the fuselage. The undercarriage doors are simply missing. Possibly ripped off in the crash?
The image that you are saying is a cockpit shot does not show the cockpit. This is simply the bottom half of the nose section. The cockpit area and cockpit windscreen is located further back behind the location of the retracted position of the nose wheel undercarriage.
See cutaway drawing
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Beech-C90A-King/1631493/L/
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Luwe-Flug)/Beech-C90A-King/1549610/L/
TJ