Well that makes sense although I can’t see the Spit or Hurri making it clear of the built up area – what about the Hawks?

Discussed on the following PPRuNe thread. It is the Harriers poor glide capability at the selected flypast height that precludes it from taking part. The Hawk has a greater glide capability. The Spitfire/Hurricane have a better glide capability and also significantly less fuel than the Harrier.

Essentially the Harrier has the glide capability of a brick. For that reason during the 25th Falklands flypast Hawks from 100 Squadron and Royal Navy FRADU represented the Harrier/Sea Harrier.

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/373031-fly-navy-100-a-3.html

TJ

Hi Teej,

Thanks for your input, TBH i dont know if it has or hasnt got any plates or markings in the wheel well, when i get it in a short while, i will take a few photo’s and find out if any markings are on it, another clue is , some of the paint is on the stb side, so the colour scheme might help ,if any is left .

lastly Many thanks for your input, it is very much appreciated.

she certainly is a mystery :confused:

No problem. Plates might lead to its identity? A long shot, but well worth sending off any plate markings to Sukhoi. You never know someone might be willing to dig in the records? On the modern military aviation forum section here there are many Russian speakers who can assist in compiling the query for you.

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/museum/su7/

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/contacts/ahc_sukhoi/

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/company/

TJ

Looks like this thing was in a heck of a fire!

Do you have a story on it? Where did it come from?

See the following

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=100866

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=100866&page=2

TJ

TEEJ

just been through the post and links you sent, and went through it with great interest..

But, I noticed, there was not one mention of the Su-7 ….. Also i wonder if this is because the Indian Air force, had used the Su-7 since 1968, and I imagine they were part of the western allies etc, as opposed to soviet bloc,
and as such, all material regarding evaluation “Could” have been supplied by the Indians in previous years.. Its just a hunch ??..

I was sent a PM, regarding this matter, and if i managed to find a copy of Pete Cooper’s book detailing the work at the RAE at Farnborough .. It “Might” hold some clues ??

:confused:

Talking of parts.. in the future.. does anyone know anyone that might suggest where to start looking, cant afford the stuff yet, but to have a contacts list would be good 🙂

lastly.. thanks for sharing the Videos of the Su-22 Paul, there triffic 😀

Another possibility is the Afghan Su-7 defections to Pakistan during the Soviet occupation? Examples of Afghan Mi-24 Hinds whose crews defected are reported to have ended up in the west.

See post number 50 from MiGMan highlighting the Afghan Su-7s.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=56966&page=2

MiGMan wrote

‘other notible su-7 events are in 1983 an afghan Su-7 defected to Dal Bandin AB, Pakistan, as did another su-7 at an unknown time. one of the su-7 defectors was a Capt. Mohammed Nabi Karinzai defected with his su-7 in ’86’

The following thread highlights the Afghan Mi-24 defections with some ending up in the west.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17634

The Nellis petting zoo has an example of an Su-7. It was painted up to represent an Iraqi example. It could be an ex-Czech/Polish example or from Egypt/Afghanistan during the 80s? The histories of the types exhibited in the petting zoo are for the most part unknown outside of the U.S. authorities.

The Su-7 was superceded by the later swing-wing Fitters, so there was no need to have flying examples of the earlier type. Any Su-7s from the 1980s would just have ended up in a petting zoo as an example of type. The Germans were test flying the more advanced swing-wing Fitters and the US was test flying the ground attack variant MiG-23BN Flogger. With access to later model Soviet ground attack types the Su-7 would have been generally regarded as an older obsolete type.

MiG-23BN Constant Peg

http://fjphotography.com/constantpeg/forum/index.php?topic=15.0

Nellis petting zoo Su-7.

http://parrotheadjeff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/30Nov09-081C.jpg

http://parrotheadjeff.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/30Nov09-088RC.jpg

Your Fitter certainly is a mystery!

TJ

See following links.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1041011/MI5-launch-spy-sky-UK-manhunt-British-Taliban-fought-Afghanistan.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1541388/Spy-plane-hunts-terror-suspects.html

http://www.spyflight.co.uk/defender.htm

http://www.secret-bases.co.uk/cia-rendition.htm

Nothing new about using surveillance aircraft over built up areas. See Spycatcher by former MI5 officer Peter Wright from the 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_RAFTER

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spycatcher

TJ

Everyone seems a little vaque on “where” the mig and Su-7 come from, quite a few years ago now, i just cant figure out Egypt…. of all the nations we are friendly with, I imagine militarily, Egypt was not one of them, .. just a hunch, where did robertsbridge etc get the info she was egyptian ??.. and were they complete airframes in the uk ??. or just hulks ??.. it is one to ponder about, I wonder if there is any records at Kew., records of when they arrived ??. or would they still be under the Official secrets act.. Maybe ?:confused:

Well done, Paul and Merkle. Interesting types!

Merkle,

Egypt, in the late 1970s, realigned itself with the West and away from Soviet influence. The signing of the peace treaty with Israel brought with it rewards of US and western military equipment. Egypt was a rich source for western intelligence to obtain examples of Soviet equipment for testing and evaluation.

During the 1980s the Germans obtained two Egyptian Air Force Su-20 Fitter Cs. At least one of the Su-20 Fitter Cs was borrowed from the Luftwaffe test establishment by Boscombe Down. The USAF obtained later variant MiG-21s and MiG-23s from Egypt for use in their Constant Peg evaluations.

http://www.airforce-magazine.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/2007/April%202007/0407peg.aspx

Constant Peg images

http://www.fjphotography.com/constantpeg/4477images/index.html

Egyptian Su-20 obtained by the then West Germany.

http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Fitter-C.html

The Egyptian break-away from the Soviet Union also benefited China. During the 1980s in exchange for arms China received Egyptian MiG-23s for technical evaluation.

http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2009/09/egyptian-air-forces-mig-23-in-china.html

TJ

If they were traveling south from Brazil, does that mean the RAF is deploying an additional two Typhoons to the Falklands?:confused:

They were Falklands based apparently on route to an expo in Chile.

From the following link.

‘Apparently the planes were en route to Chile for an aeronautical expo.’

‘Air Force confirms British planes were authorized to enter Argentine airspace when flying from Malvinas to Chile’

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/BreakingNews/View/35415

TJ