That was highlighted in the programme with interviews with some members of US Special Forces. The US and UK teams were hampered by the actions of the Northern Alliance forces. The Northern Alliance were unwilling to follow the orders of the Special Forces teams in the later stages of the Tora Bora operation. That frustration and break down of relations led to a tense stand-off between the Northern Alliance and Coalition Special Forces. Without the assistance of the Afghans the plan of pursuit couldn’t be put into force and Bin Laden was able to slip over the border.
TJ
That was highlighted in the programme with interviews with some members of US Special Forces. The US and UK teams were hampered by the actions of the Northern Alliance forces. The Northern Alliance were unwilling to follow the orders of the Special Forces teams in the later stages of the Tora Bora operation. That frustration and break down of relations led to a tense stand-off between the Northern Alliance and Coalition Special Forces. Without the assistance of the Afghans the plan of pursuit couldn’t be put into force and Bin Laden was able to slip over the border.
TJ
F-111Gs were former Strategic Air Command FB-111As assigned the role of destroying Warsaw Pact command bunkers in Eastern Europe with AGM-69s. B-58s, B-36s and B-47s aren’t on the treaty list either because they too were deactivated prior to the date of the treaty.
I should have specifically referred to the SALT II Treaty. The SALT II treaty was signed when the FB-111 was in service. It was agreed by both sides that the FB-111 would not be treaty covered. The same agreement was reached with the Tu-22Ms. Both types were in service when SALT II was signed in 1979. Neither type met the criteria of heavy strategic bombers and thus did not come under any treaty dealing with strategic arms.
http://www.state.gov/www/global/arms/treaties/salt2-2.html
‘3. Heavy bombers are considered to be:
(a) currently, for the United States of America, bombers of the B-52 and B-1 types, and for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, bombers of the Tupolev-95 and Myasishchev types;
(b) in the future, types of bombers which can carry out the mission of a heavy bomber in a manner similar or superior to that of bombers listed in subparagraph (a) above;
(c) types of bombers equipped for cruise missiles capable of a range in excess of 600 kilometers; and
(d) types of bombers equipped for ASBMs.’
The subsequent treaty (START) agreement continued with the omission of medium range bombers even though they were nuclear capable. START added the B-2 and Tu-160. Types such as the FB-111 and Tu-22M were negotiated out during the mid-70s. The only treaty that the F-111 and Tu-22M types are covered by is the CFE Treaty.
TJ
Have to scrap them. They escaped destruction under Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty because Oz doesn’t have nukes. Once Oz retiires them, the Russians can claim they are still nuke-capable bombers beyond what is allowed by the treaty.
Tired old airplanes deserve to be resurrected in a new life as beer cans.
The F-111s, of any variant, did not come under START/SORT. The agreement was for heavy strategic nuclear capable bombers.
For the US it was the B-52G/H, B-2 and B-1B
START verification of type images
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/start1/text/stphotos-US.htm
For the Russian Federation it was the Tu-95 and Tu-160.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/control/start1/text/stphotos.htm
TJ
Thanks for posting, didn’t realise the third torpedo hit the destroyer! No wonder they didn’t want to stop and PU survivors.
No problem. The Bouchard certainly had luck on her side that day. As the USS Borie she suffered considerable damage over the years.
http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/USS_Borie_(DD-704)
TJ
Thanks for posting, didn’t realise the third torpedo hit the destroyer! No wonder they didn’t want to stop and PU survivors.
No problem. The Bouchard certainly had luck on her side that day. As the USS Borie she suffered considerable damage over the years.
http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/USS_Borie_(DD-704)
TJ
Log extract from HMS Conqueror
TJ
Log extract from HMS Conqueror
TJ
Sorry gents – but I was just looking at a book which states –
‘Argentina continues to be a good Israeli customer, and it was reported in 1984 that IAI had begun to supply three Gabriel III/AS missiles for each A-4 Skyhawk.’Can anyone confirm that Argentina uses or has Gabriel ASM’s??
Regards
Pioneer
See holdings on UN Arms Register. Detailed better on 2007. The most recent update is for 2008. No Gabriel.
http://disarmament.un.org/UN_REGISTER.NSF
TJ
Planeman,
The topic has been done to death over the years. Have you tried a simple search?
ASIC search
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/search.php?searchid=2680971
ASCC search
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/search.php?searchid=2680979
Yes codenames are still allocated for FSU and PRC aircraft and helos by ASIC (formerly ASCC). ASIC only codenames aircraft/helos. NATO has nothing to do with any codename allocation, but are simply on the distribution list.
The most accurate list on the web.
http://www.designation-systems.net/non-us/soviet.html#_System_NATO
TJ
Superb! You certainly did have fun, Flapjack!
TJ
It seems this is quite a “shy” side of modern warfare…i meen everybody is talking about radars and IRST and supercruise and stealth and so forth …but how about satellites?
The reason for this topic is that i’ve read in various magazines over the time interviews with pilots who fought in GW2 or Yugoslavia for instance …and it always puzzled me them talking about haveing 2 independent confirmations about the identity of a bogie ( as per ROE rules), one being AWACS an the other being , and i quote ” another , classified source”
The pilots will be talking about NCTR (Non Cooperative Target Recognition)
TJ
F-35b wrote
What’s the sandbox?
Sandbox is just military slang for in general the ‘Middle East’. In this case the ‘sandbox’ is Afghanistan.
TJ
15 more (9 Active and 6 ANG) installed this year (FY2010) but paid for from previous year (FY2006-07) buys. No new buys this year (FY2010). 15 total installed as of end of this year (FY2010).
Page 195 – 198
http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090511-091.pdf—Edit—
The units installed this year are the first units upgraded using the procurement started in FY2006-07. 43 units have been paid for, but only 15 installed by the end of FY2010.
Thanks Spudman. Still quite a slow refit and it appears to be at the moment US based airframes. It would be fair to say that those Lakenheath based F-15Cs wouldn’t have been fielding AESA against the Spanish Typhoons.
TJ
In this case I presume that the F-15Cs were from Lakenheath? What is the status of the F-15C AESA program in relation to USAFE F-15Cs. Do any of them carry it?
TJ