Ah thanks for that, yes I see what you mean about Jaguars and Phantoms from below.
There was a memorial service at either Dunmow or Earls Colne airfield for something, I think it was for the Paras in WW2 and the D-Day landings, and when I saw that on the news I thought maybe there was a flypast?
If Jaguars are flying still, wouldn’t they be in civilian hands or are they still flown in a training capacity for the RAF?

Hi Martin,

No Jaguars are flying in the UK. In UK service some of the Jaguars are ground run and taxi for training purposes. The mix-ups were being caused by such types as French Air Force Mirage F.1s in UK airspace.

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/372289-spotted-jaguar-flying-over-a11-around-wymondham.html

Update on the situation. It looks likely that you might have seen an F-4.

I just had a look on one of the enthusiast websites for aircraft monitoring. You have to be a member to gain access to the forum. This morning 25th there was Luftwaffe F-4s active in UK airspace.

The enthusiast picked up the traffic on virtual radar

http://www.javiation.co.uk/sbs-1.html

TJ

No problem, OldCrow.

TJ

For example

hello

can anyone give me the info in easy terms on how to upload some pics to the site please… have got sw=me Canberra pics i would likt to put on please

Help Help as had trouble doing so.

Many Thanks

You can add attachments straight from your PC. If you click on ‘create a new thread’ or ‘reply to post’ you will see a range of symbols generated. Click on the paper clip and it will generate a ‘manage attachments’ window. From there you can upload straight from your PC.

TJ

See following for F-111 losses

http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Aircraft_by_Type/F_111/F-111.htm

TJ

Hey! That’s my cousin!

Well, maybe not. My great-grandmother was a Horvath, back from the days of Austria-Hungary. The last of the family from the old country died a few years ago,a nd with him all links to the fam there.

The real question in this exercise is what were the Eagles doing to get within weapons range of the Hind?

To give the Hind crews a training scenario against fixed wing threats and vice-versa. It wouldn’t be much fun if the F-15s just stayed out of range. I don’t know if they still do it but it was also a part of the training scenario for RAF helo door gunners. Hawks would be used as the threat against Pumas and other helos types.

TJ

Hopefully more will survive than one, but (for a change) the same thing was supposed to happen to the RAF F4 fleet due to the SALT treaty and a number of them survived although some of that number are gate guards but they are still there.

The problem is once they are gone they are gone forever i know some will say you cant save everything but you could at least try.

curlyboy

It is one of the common aviation myths that the RAF F-4s came under SALT. SALT and START only referred to heavy strategic nuclear bombers. The F-4s based in Europe came under the CFE Treaty (Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty). The CFE Treaty covers combat aircraft not assigned to a strategic mission. For example RAF Lakenheath and their F-15s are subject to inspection under the CFE Treaty. Even Tu-22M Backfires come under CFE and not any of the strategic arms treaties.

See list of aircraft types covered by CFE on the following.

http://www.dod.gov/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/protocols/exist_equip.htm

http://www.dod.mil/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/index.htm

See following link from 2008

‘Table 4.13 Aircraft Holdings in the UK, Germany, Cyprus & Gibraltar within the scope of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty, at 1 January each year’

http://www.dasa.mod.uk/modintranet/UKDS/UKDS2008/c4/table413.html

In 2008 the MoD declared 5 F-4s that were held on CFE declared sites.

TJ