Some convincing concepts here. I think that the UK would do well to adopt an idea similar to this and pull out of the JSF altogether.
I still think the UK should stick with the STOVL F-35B because it’s the easy option, but I have to admit that this is the only reason I think we should stick to the F-35B.
In my opinion the probability that the F-35B will be the most expensive, complex and least capable JSF variant and the UK’s decision to build aircraft carriers big enough for conventional operations has totally defeated the advantages of the V/STOL fighter 😡
I love the twin boom design, fantastic, except that would have to be called Sea Vixen II instead of Harrier III, STOVL or no.
The twin boom P.1216 is a very interesting design but it makes the the Boeing X-32 look normal :dev2:
Steveo your Hawker P.1216 is very good. I red Tony Butler bokk “British secret project fighter” and this plane was the final result of 25 years of studies by Hawker on VTOL supersonic fighters. A pity Great Britain couldn’t find money 20 years ago.
The P.1216 could have been a join program between RAF (no Harrier GR5) RN (No SeaHarrier F/A2) Spain and Italy (no AV8 B). With such a program, no VTOL JSF (and no problems with Wavers).
Thanks Archibaald, more pics of the P.1216 can be found here http://prototypes.free.fr/p1127/p1127-14.htm
I would have loved to see some of the British V/STOL fighter projects succeed too, but unfortunately lack of political will and the usual inter-service rivalry, that ends up with all parties getting less than they wanted, made it impossible 🙁
does anyone know if the Tomahawk could be used to attack surface ships??
There is(was?) a anti-ship variant, BGM-109B TASM (Tomahawk Anti-Ship Missile) info here http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-109.html
I am pretty sure that the Sub-harpoon has been retired from the RN.
I thought that might be the case, I guess they have been replaced by Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles.
Another F-35B alternative could use a standard EJ200 engine and a lift jet like the Yakovlev Yak-141 and MDC+NGC+BAe JSF design.
Yak-141 http://www.yak.ru/ENG/FIRM/HISTMOD/yak-141.php
MDA+NGC+BAe JSF http://www.jsf.mil/gallery/gal_photo_cddr_mda-ngc-bae.htm
Were Sea Eagles withdrawn from the RAF inventory as well?
If so, what anti shipping capability has been retained?
Yes, the UK’s only anti-ship missile capability is Sea Skua on Lynx helicopters and Harpoon on Nimrod maritime patrol aircraft.
Harpoon is also fitted to Type 22 (batch 3) and Type 23 frigates and maybe still on the SSN fleet(?).
This one is a bit better 🙂
This is the only one I can find at the moment 😮
My final fantasy aircraft design would be a lightweight STOVL strike fighter with CTOL and UCAV variants 😀
This design would be similar to the early Boeing direct lift JSF designs and incorporate all the technology the UK has developed on the Replica (stealthy airframe) and Raven (UCAV) programs.
The engine would be based on the EJ200 in a X-32 arrangement and again it would use Typhoon kit and VAAC style controls.
I suppose this design is basically a lightweight X-32 that would be available in both STOVL and CTOL variants and also have a UCAV option for either variant.
Pics of Boeing ASTOVL/LWF and X-32.
Another Harrier III option would be a completely new design, but a natural evolution from the Harrier II.
This new design Harrier III would have a tricycle undercarriage, a drop out engine change fuselage and incorporate Super Hornet style stealth features in it’s airframe details.
The engine would be a advanced Pegasus development and either be the normal four nozzle or a three nozzle arrangement depending on which produces the cheaper fuselage. Performance would be high subsonic to save money.
Pitch control would be provided by a single tail mounted up/down puffer jet instead of the current nose and tail puffer jets to save weight and space in the nose area.
The new design Harrier III would again have as much commonality with the Typhoon fleet and VAAC style controls.
This pic of the AV-16 is similar to how my new design Harrier III would look. The P.1216 is how a 3 nozzled aircraft might turn out 😮
The easiest and cheapest option for a Harrier III would be a new build Harrier II+ with various easy improvements and refinements to reduce costs and increase performance.
Areas that could be improved with the latest knowledge and techniques include the jet nozzles and lift improvement devices, while weight can be saved with new materials and lighter avionics boxes and cockpit displays.
The control technology developed on the VAAC Harrier testbed will do away with the need for a trainer and make the Harrier much safer and easier to fly saving lots of money operationally. VAAC Harrier – Easiest plane to fly ever? thread http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45334
Avionics commonality with the Typhoon fleet would be highly desirable and a 27mm Mauser cannon pod would be nice too 🙂
A combined fuel tank/hardpoint/outrigger fairing as seen here http://www.harrier.org.uk/history/JSF_HarrierIII.htm could be possible too.
Rafale with 10x Mica and Japanese F-2 proposal.
The UK is signed up for $2 billion. The estimated developement cost is $45 billion. Last time I checked $2 billion is not 10% of $45 billion. Maybe somebody needs to help you with your math?
$45 billion sounds like the total program cost, development costs are in the region of $20 billion according to this http://www.jsf.mil/history/his_f35.htm
The Secretary of the Air Force James G. Roche announced the selection of Lockheed Martin teamed with Northrop Grumman and BAE to develop and then produce the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) aircraft. The contract, for $18,981,928,201, will produce aircraft to be used by the U.S. Air Force, Navy, and Marines, as well as the United Kingdom’s Royal Air Force and Navy.
I had forgotten how ugly the F32 actually was!!!
😀 It was a funny looking fighter but I really liked it.
Here are some RAF Harrier trial fits, I think the bombs are 500lb Paveway IV’s.