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  • in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2177410
    Marcellogo
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    Well, well, well up to now this has been a very quality discussion.
    Now, let me add that those changes were not without reason, at the contrary for what were the ATF mission requirement they made quite sense.

    In those times stealth technology was still an highly secretive matter: F-117 although having reached IOC in 1983 was revealed to the public just in 1988, so it is not surprising that the ATF requirements when published were not so centered about it as instead the real thing would become.
    Obviously the fact that such an high level of stealth was required for the mission lead to a never ending spiral of cost overrun, technical difficulties, weight increments and above all on a lot of time lost.
    When twenty years after RFP F-22 went operative it was surely respondent to the project requirements, thanks to superb engineering skills of those involved in its development but external conditions were dramatically changed, stealth was not any more such a overwhelming factor into the airpower equation as quite efficient and cost effective countermeasures against it had been developed in the meantime.
    F-22 will remain a superb fighter and will remain unmatched when it comes to the stealth level reached, but it was designed to a a very specific mission, a mission that is not possible anymore.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2177582
    Marcellogo
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    If ATF had been designed on the premise you just wrote up,
    -it would have been at least twice the size and a much higher fuel fraction than is the case.
    On contrary the stealth aspect was added to ATF project when it was already underway, when it seemed feasible.

    Now when is the engine for PAK-FA going to be ready ?

    Good reply.
    Let’s just say that “deep into enemy territory” doesn’t means that it would have been required to reach Moscow from Rammstein during the Cold war but instead to be able to extend air supremacy zone up to the airfields from which enemy tactical aircrafts would start over.
    F-22 still has a way greater internal fuel capacity when compared to a F-15 and ATF was just required from the beginning to have supercruise capabilities and a very high service ceiling along with stealth just to reach the desired goal.
    Just note than when those requirement was issued SU-27 and F-15E had still to enter service so the actual trend toward very high fuel fraction fighters was not even started.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2177608
    Marcellogo
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    just as a premise: I don’t take ANYthing said by sputnik as granted or even credible.
    The differences between F-22 and others depend mainly by the role it was designed for.
    Or better said it was the Air Dominance role that was invented just for it,
    Basically the idea was to have, thank to stealth, a fighter able to stay for a long time deep into enemy territory, practically invisible to enemy AD, so not allowing them even to let their own plane to take off.
    For gaining this a 360° stealth was an absolute need as F-22 would not only need to push itself deep into enemy territory but also to stay there for a consistent period of time, hovering and attacking enemy planes that would pop up.
    Other missions won’t need this at all.
    An attack plane, like the F-35 would instead just rush into, using its own best RCS aspect, bomb and run away. The worst RCS it would have running away is more than compensated by the range reduction enemy AD missiles will have in a tail on engagement.
    Same for an intercepting fighter, working in team with an integrated (metric wawelength) AD radar network:after the scramble it would just need to point its own nose toward the intruder to gain advantage of its best possible RCS value.
    Needless to say, actually the level of stealthness that would be required for gaining air dominance is absolutely impossible to gain anymore: some of AD network radars would be able to detect and track an incoming aircraft with enough precision to almost guide fighters against it.

    Performance of a radar depends a lot from its own operating band, but also by its own operating mode.
    The famed 400km range against a 3sqm target of Irbis radar refers to a spot on mode while in the wide angle search (+/- 120°) it is almost halved.
    Same with the F-22’s even more famous LPI mode: everyone cite its capacity of cheat conventionalRWR but no one mention that it is absolutely incompatible with any other mode using the Doppler Effect (look/down shoot down, SAR, clutter reduction and so on…)

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2177696
    Marcellogo
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    So there is insistence to the 0.1-1sqm values? That isn’t so good news I think.

    Let’s put it in the right perspective.
    Putting apart the quite different way to evaluate RCS i.e. maximum for Westener, average for Russian: the real difference is that F-22 was designed for having a 360° Stealth, while Pak-FA (and F-35) privileges the frontal aspect.
    So in the first case difference between front and rear values is minimal, while in the other one is quite relevant.

    Relevant, not dramatic as a 10X RCS value doesn’t mean in any way that detection range would be ten times better but instead somewhat less than 1,5.

    P.S.

    Mig-31M explained it even better in relation to different wawelenghts involved.

    http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/stealth2.files/lockheed_northrop_RCS_comparison.jpg
    http://www.hitechweb.genezis.eu/stealth2.htm[/QUOTE]

    Americans have chosen Lockeed over Northop back in the days because of its better performance in the K & X frequency.
    However this relative advantage pales in comparison to the big differences against metric wawelenght radars.
    Yes, the ones Zoltan Dani used and the ones Russian has ever kept in scores and constantly developed.

    in reply to: Eurofighter Typhoon discussion and news 2015 #2178594
    Marcellogo
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    First question would be: there is any operational necessity for an UCAV to go supersonic ? My 0,02 is absolutely not.
    Second one would be:it is technically feasible, easy, cheap and convenient to do so starting with Taranis design? IMHO no,no,no and no.
    Third: would not in any case be better to equip it with high velocity cruise missiles as a payload?

    Marcellogo
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    Advance arms need highly paid and skilled soldiers, maintainance personal with lots of training. i highly doubt it can work in country with 60% inflation.

    Sincerely I don’t see any sense here.
    My own country got similar inflation rate for decades and our armed forces, although crimped by low allocations were still able to operate modern warship and fighters at the same level (or even better, no Witwenmacher there) than others main NATO countries.
    At the contrary a high inflation rate would be a blessing to attract professionals into the Ukranian army: just need to pay them directly in Euro or Dollars.
    It will be like to gave them a + 60% raise every next year.

    in reply to: What happened to Russia mil aviation? #2181916
    Marcellogo
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    We have concluded that the Sukhoi does things a little different if we are to compair them to other entities.

    Sukhoi has a long history about their Directors coming from the “floor” with engineering degrees and many awarded features on Aviation development.

    http://www.sukhoi.org/news/company/?id=5697

    Does this also happend in company like Boeing, LM etc etc?

    Even if actually Sukhoi is a very large company comparing it with american ones is misleading to say the least.
    Russian military project development is not changed much from soviet times as the core of it is still in the OKB concept: these comparatively small structures just produce the initial prototypes and after acceptance trial are over, just some others one that are given given directly to the armed force involved in project for the State trials (i.e.operational testing), in meantime OKB take contact with the selected Production Association i.e. one of production plants their same mother company own to set up an assembly line and begin initial “serial” production, that is really not anything such: just individually built pre-serial aircrafts passing through the line instead than on a fixed bench.
    Real serial production start only when State trial are over.

    So it’s quite normal for russian defence companies to have Directors coming from the “floor” i.e. from the research department: in Soviet Russia research department got their own aerospace companies, not the contrary.

    in reply to: Lessons from Textron Scorpion… #2181929
    Marcellogo
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    That was main problem of F-22: they began its development when not only the plane in itself but all the single components they would need tomade it were still absolutely immature.
    During its own troubled development, some of such things you mention effectively became available from other parallel developments all around the world: so when it was ready it was years ahead any other thing flying but many of its own single components were just outdated and will not be present in any future aircraft as there were developed much more easier way to get job done.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2182324
    Marcellogo
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    Repeat question: maybe this numbers refers to the flight ours performed under Sukhoi design bureau direct supervision.
    Once same items were taken into charge by VVS and used for State trial (also becauseof T50-5 incident) they were not counted anymore.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2182525
    Marcellogo
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    Some more information on flight hours from the same guy from about a year ago. According to his numbers T-50-4 has only flown 11 times in Akhtubinsk over a span of almost a year and T-50-3 has flow none. The later is with 100% certainty false as there is a video showing T-50-3 taking off in Akhtubinsk. T-50-4 is also shown flying, so they must have been lucky to catch it on one of the “11” flights. (i am putting this information at question too considering -3 information is completely false)

    Maybe those numbers refers only to the flight made by Sukhoi research bureau, while tho ones made DIRECTLY by the VVS after the end of acceptance trials and their official acquisition into service are not considered in this one statistic?

    in reply to: 5th gen light fighter. is it practical? #2183576
    Marcellogo
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    Not any sense in doing such a thing, better to develop a stealth weapon bay like the ones boeing made for Superbug and put them on a modern LO fighter.
    Or get a functioning Ucav for A2G roles.
    Let’s face it: in last decade efficent countermeasures against stealth have been developed, so no airplane, no matter how low its own RCS is, would have the same practical invisibility F-117 had.
    A Gripen sized 5gen aircraft would cost more than a Su-35S or even a Typhoon with Captor-e radar, without being a match for them as its own lower RCS would not be enough to compensate their greater radar performances.

    in reply to: The PAK-FA News, Pics & Debate Thread XXIV #2183647
    Marcellogo
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    Any comparison between the development times of western and Sov/Ru planes are impossible.
    The more with f-35, that’s is in itself a quite radical (and totally failed) depart even from thewestern standard.
    To made a quick resume, there is nothing in Russian procedure like IOC and LRIP : until a certain point development is made by the design bureau i.e. something that never existed in the west, after acceptance trials, further development and operational testing are carried on by the armed force itself, while the main manufacturer just enter businness for industrialization phase.
    They so use to produce very few items in the state trial phase , just the ones that they need for testing and maybe to set up a small training unit and to start with full scale production immediately after they are positively concluded.

    in reply to: What happened to Russia mil aviation? #2184062
    Marcellogo
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    Now now, is this necessary? I have a legitimate post, you dont agree with, and your 1st reaction is to make ad hominem personal attacks, and national, racial slurs.
    If I had made comments using denigrating names for Israelis, Japanese, Chinese, or others you would try to have me modded. Can we not use that word Muricans?
    Its a personal attack on my country and culture.

    Ad hominem attack? your country and culture? Calm down a little, would you please and don’t make it a too big fuss.

    ‘murica is like to say russiaSTRONK and chibots, usual way to make fun of certain national stereotypes that often emerge in this kind of sites.
    One stereotype in which you with your own reply seems me to fall completely into, I would dare to say.

    Just worth to note that my own supposition proved to be exact anyway.
    Piece of cake, consider just those two things on an airplane is a sort of Mantra for americans, so you can recognize them easily.

    Now for giving you a more serious reply: russians would do ANYTHING except than to go back to a single engine configuration.
    With their own typical blended wing/engine pod configuration they just got a perfect shape for 5th fighters and would not leave it for any reason.

    So, it just more probable than they would just beef up the Yak-130 (sthealth, armor, afterburners, you choose) to cover some lighter niches than any plane with just one engine.

    in reply to: What happened to Russia mil aviation? #2184180
    Marcellogo
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    I can’t tell if this is a troll thread or just a very silly one with no point.

    Think is one of the classical ‘Muricans that think only things that matter are Stealth and Aesa radar, so if you put some of them on a F-86 it will immediately become better than an Su-35S or a Typhoon…:rolleyes:

    in reply to: USAF not F-35 thread #2184187
    Marcellogo
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    F-22 fires Aim-9x for the first time:

    http://www.janes.com/article/51375/f-22-notches-first-guided-aim-9x-sidewinder-firing

    http://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsusaf-test-fired-two-guided-aim-9x-sidewinder-missiles-from-f-22-raptor-4575760

    Eleven years after aim-9X entered in USAF service and three years after the last F-22 was delivered…

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