@Haavarla
Yes, no need to send them fighting either.
Let’s just deploy them to take a tan on Syria coast and doing security in cities, just to relieve Syrian troops from most trivial duties.
Their mere presence would “allow” them to win.
Lovely detail. 🙂
Look that the last upgrade was made in the 1998, and the previous one was from 1986, so that these last items are probably at the same technological level of an ANG F-16 block 25/30.
In reality those upgrades ended up to been even redundant: they spended a lot to integrate Aspide missiles and a modern radar (FIAR Setter R21G) only to discover that the latter limited range doesn’t allowed to take advantage of the excellent performance of the former.
We went to the absurd to lease some Tornado ADV for their big radars but still with Skyflash missiles only, so we ended up with a plane with a long range missile and a short range radar and another with a long range radar (when it worked) and (relatively) short range missiles.
Not one of the proposed upgrade you propose would improve in any way the Spillone’s performances a.t.c. they would probably spoil its several good points (and the F-104S got many of them) without resolving its own shortcomings (almost the remaining ones that were not resolved with introducing it at first, when compared to Americans and F-104G models).
J79-GE-19 engine was practically perfect for its flight pattern: blazing velocity and climb rate in scramble but so powerful even in mil mode to afford it a good cruise range and with such an acceleration that allowed it to regain velocity fast without using afterburner.
I’m not a technical matter expert but this direct equation N° of modules/emission power and range seems me quite strange.
Let’s make an example, Pak-Fa has +/- 1500 modules on front section, 400 on lateral ones.
According to this manner of calculation it would have a relatively smaller range in the frontal compared to the F-35 but just a third of this in the lateral.
Now, it happen that the scan range of a ESA radar is about +/- 60°, would it means that in a angle of almost 30° degrees (but probably superior, see forward ) in both sides the PAK-FA would have a way greater power all of a sudden cause the sum of 1500 +404? And in a small space portion under the plane, given that the lateral ones are obliquely mounted and facing downward maybe also 1500+404+404?
Now, both on the Eurofighter than on the Gripen E they are even trying to have a canting/steering AESA plate, something that surely would end up eating a lot of T/R modules compared to a fixed mount.
So, are suddenly all the major defence producers outside America suddenly gone nuts together or things are just a little more complex that it seems?
Limit for PESA/AESA is 120 degrees, so side arrays doesn’t help front array performance
Play dumb now? typical.
I’ll take some less radiating elements in the frontal but the possibility of having a complete radar coverage over a 240° blind zone 365+1/4 days at year, thanks.
And an L-band radar also instead of the cherry on top, please.
Seriously, first the fifty shades of gray, now the numbers of slots, are we slipping down to a primary school discussion level?
Russia is only interested in maintaining its bases in Syria.
It is not discriminating between military and civilian targets, like hospitals.
Again with this cheap trolling?
An institution usually ferociously anti-Assad as the IHS has recently calculated than in the last Year IS in Syria has spent his time fighting for 43% of cases with the Loyalist, 40% of time against Sunni rebels (it encompasses also Turkish supported ones, actually landlocked away from them) and only 17% of times against the US-backed Kurds.
Not seem me probable a direct derivation from it, one is a maritime sea surface effect vehicle, other a land based plane.
For the rest both are remarkable example of IRGC lateral thinking, given that you can’t compete in a symmetrical development , try a completely radical new approach to the problem.
Your actual expertise in engine, light alloy/ composite materials allow you only to build a ’70 plane: ok do it but (given that instead you are at fair good level in electronic and CAD design) do it stealth and with an innovative frame design other have tried but are instead gone for a more conventional solution.
Probably it would not work anyway, but if it is succeed it would be a bang.
Small intakes and small engines?
The problem is not the dimension of the intake , is how they are positioned: putting them OVER a LERX type structure do not seems a great move.
“ADMS” Pechora-2M “hit by the latest US drone the MQ-1” the Predator “in Syria
Syrian air defenses in the sky in the north of the province of Latakia found a strange aircraft. The target was fired upon, destroy it.
Competent US authorities were forced to confirm that around 17:40 GMT (19 hours and 40 minutes of Damascus time) lost contact with the remote-controlled aircraft the MQ-1 «Predator», flying in north-west Syria.
“According to the Turkish media,« Predator »was flying with the US Air Force base in Incirlik in Turkey, which was based 4 of US drones in recent years.
“The MQ-1, apparently was hit by” Pechora-2M “, as close to the crash site of the wreckage of an American spy was discovered by anti-aircraft rocket boosters of this complex. Everything indicated that the Syrians lacked a rocket “, – said Yuri Ljamin.
Armed Syrian armed forces are made up of 12 of the modernized complex “Pechora-2M”. At present, they “learned” time to shoot down a variety of objects, including cruise missiles and aircraft “Stealth” Modified missiles were able to “catch up” targets flying at a speed of 1000 m / s at a height of 20 m to 25 km, at a distance 28 km.
The complex used modern digital technology, which greatly improved the ability to detect the attacking aircraft. Moreover, flush job option entered thermal channel, which allows, without revealing themselves, pinpoint enemy.
Minsk chassis MZKT-8021 significantly increased the mobility characteristics: SAM is moving at speeds up to 60 km / h, very quickly change position and go from retaliation.
The only problem is that these systems are not too many, and they can not take control of all the country’s airspace.
Thank to the gentle reminder that this was supposed to be a military aviation thread and not a political rants one.
In any case the SA-3 is challenging AT-3 in upgrade longevity it seems.
No it doesn’t have a very big radar. The typhoon’s radar is probably even larger. The negative effects in aerodynamics would be minimal, and that would be largely compensated by increase in radar range. VLO is not an issue here.
My guess would be that they gave it that radar size to have the shortest plane possible for the amphibious carrier requirement, and also probably to save cost on the radar, due to the fact that the plane is multi-role.
It is still better to have good visibility even without the DAS. The canopy would have been a bit larger but not by much, it would have had more the shape of an F-22 canopy, that is smaller than F-16 or F-15 canopy.
The T-50’s canopy is a bit higher, the F-35’s canopy would have looked almost the same had the cockpit been like 10cm higher. AFAIK the current T-50 canopy is not the production design. The production design will probably have better rear visibility.
You can check numerous videos and pictures of the F-35 and other planes next to each other and you will see that the F-35 is significantly darker. The F-16 is multi-role and has a much lighter paint scheme and the F-35 is meant to replace it.
Halloweene, with all the due respect it seems me that you want to found a defect at any cost in the F-35.
Also the F-15E is painted in a darker shade than the C/D version and in this case there wasn’t ever the issue of stealth, it was just that one is a air superiority fighter that have to operate at an high quote while the other is a strike plane that was supposed to operate at a standard height and mainly at night (introduction of JDAMs changhed things on that regard but colour stayied).
clean block 25/32 has better agility than later block 50/52 as far as i know
Yes, they have a lighter frame so even with a relatively less powerful engine they remained more maneovrable due to the lesser wing load.
Using two different engines, one for higher performances, the other for optimal fuel consumtion was a good way to get an A2A and A2G specced version from the same frame.
Now the trend from the end of Cold War until now it have been constantly toward a constant increase of relevance of the A2G role in the mix and the F-35 was designed from the start along these guidelines, not as a air superiority one, so it’s not at all surprising that it sport a darker hue and is evaluated in this role first.
And quite worthless. What does your drag race comparison prove?
As Haavarla pointed out, was the F-104 a particularly good air superiority fighter?
What about the Mig-23? Or the Bae Lighting?Being a good interceptor is one aspect of a fighter in the DCA role.
This is a pipe dream. No service would be interested in spending money to do a direct comparison on a scramble mission of randomized aircraft in such a limited role. Look at the scenarios given for in the Belgium RFP. You may believe this would “prove” the F-35 worthy as a flighted. I seriously doubt that those who fly the aircraft would agree. They have flown it at Red Flag.
Interceptors were obviously great in scrambles as QRA constitutes one of their primary missions, still also the air superiority fighters that superseded them but generally any planes to operate in an A2A role is supposed to have good performances on this regard.
And no, although the idea somewhat tickles me, I was not thinking about a show off with an Eurofighter and a F-35 making a joint scramble.
Just make an hot take off with a F-35 headed to operative quote as fast as it can and publish the results after.
Also a normal climb rate data would be appreciated anyway, given that the plane has been declared operative.
Well we have data of both, unlike with F-35, so we can gave a look and compare the three.
Why?
If this is your preferable metric, then the F-104G beat everything..
No, Aeritalia F-104S, please.
Maybe having had them is a reason for this , we actually have this aggregated data of it, not just initial climb rate that means nothing in itself.
In reality, it’s just to settle up if F-35 is a real multirole fighter or as i’m more inclined to believe an excellent strike fighter obliged to take up also air defence missions, ’cause F-22 abrupt end of production.
Given that my own air force will have both f-5 than EF, I think the comparison would be quite easy to do.
F-35 done exercise against F-15E also, hardly an easy opponent for Su-30 to handle
We were commenting a specific article saying very specific things, not trying to exhaust the whole argument in one post.
And surely an F-15E with CFT and a bomb load would be an easier adversary to handle than an F-35…or a Su-30SM in A2A configuration.
For me it would suffice to have a direct comparison between it an Eurofighter and a Mig-29 in a scramble mission or even having a sheer data about the time it took to get at 10.000 meters and get supersonic.
They said it have a tremendous transonic acceleration, so i’m making things easy for it.