You are silly, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Dont be so soft (get a thicker skin). I hate to break it to you but the world out there is not just rainbows and sunshine… adapt and life will be easier

No, one is a soft pussy when it doesn’t react, obviously in a rational and argomented way, to certain type gratitous and biased insults.

For the rest, being I a Catholic and Croatian by half I have the worst possible opinion about a certain way of “interpretating” tradition and national heritage by some Orthodox churches, up to the highest level.
This obviously doesn’t spare me to intervene when someone pass from a mere critic to a gratuitous slandering of other people’s belief and traditions, how it seems me was happening there.
Obviously it work both ways, if someone there would begin insulting non religious people out of simple bias.

Well, then you’re just arrogant kid who thinks he’s very progressive in his own religion – atheism. But don’t worry, time and people will fix it, one way or another and will learn you to respect traditions and views of others, as every mature and civilized person should do.

Authors, like Dostoevsky? Bulgakov? Scientists like

Yeah, it’s not a rocket science. That’s why Roscosmos should send you to ISS instead of barbarians like Krikalyov(the current head of Gagarin’s Training Center) and many others who brought icons to it. Right? But you know, somehow i think those “barbarians” are MILLION times smarter and much more educated than you or any other ignorant and arrogant kid whose parents didn’t learm him how to respect traditions and views of other people.

Вы, ребят, не только глупость свою выпячиваете, но и отсутствие у вас воспитания, хотя бы базового. Не, я понимаю, что сегодня любой дурак с айфоном и ноутом мнит себя во фронтире Человеческой Мысли и Науки(хотя большинство даже закон Ома не способны осилить, или там схему автотриггера нарисовать), но в нашей армии, ВПК и космосе, есть масса куда как более умных и образованных, чем вы, людей, которые, ляпни вы такую херню при них, вас сссаными тряпками погнали бы, быстро указав вам ваше истинное место под солнцем, в науке и в эволюционной цепи. Научитесь уважению, иначе ссаными тряпками вы не отделаетесь – люди не любят напыщенных снобов, ничего из себя не представляющих, зато любящих кичиться своей “прогрессивностью”, по-детски наивно полагаю всех, кто придерживается иных взглядов – эдакими отсталыми дикарями. И покуда вы не научитесь уважать других, и уважительно относится к взглядам, традициям и культуре других – вы не то что цивилизованными не станете, вы так и останетесь напыщенными дикарями с замашками хвастило-чванливого ребенка.

И да, я по занятиям спортом много ребят из Дагестана знаю. Но я не видел ни одного, кто бы, даже не практикуя Ислам и будучи не религиозным человеком – посмел бы себе столь неуважительное отношение к религии предков. Просто потому что это хорошо воспитанные люди, а не напыщенное говно.

For what i see more the “progressive, tolerant, and enlighted people” are left to speak and more one can see what they really are.

After it I recall how in the Russia constitution not just Hortodoxy, but also both Sunni denomination and even Buddism are enlisted as part of national & cultural heritage in constitution.

And personally after have read some of Dostoyevsky, Tolstoi and Puskin I evaluate any of them more than all the scientist of this crazy world…
Between 1000 years no one would remember anything of the men that launched Sputnik or built the Tsar Bomba but they would still read Homer,Vergilius, Dante and all of the woundrous Russian XIX and XX century literature

The delay is not cumulative, if first flight is scheduled for 2005 and it is delayed to 2006 but IOC remains the same in 2010 how can you say that the delay is six years? There is no logic to adding these years if the point at which you are grading it against doesn’t move.

If your metric is first flight to IOC then the time was 9 years.
If your metric is actual IOC compared to planned IOC then the delay is 5 years.
If your metric is planned first flight to IOC then the delay is 10 years.

Whatever it is doesn’t really matter as long as you can remain consistent in which milestone (first flight or IOC) is the one you are measuring delay against.

Ok, in this case you are right, the two delays are not cumulable.

Couldn’t care less about a “list”. They are either new designs or not. If the Su-35 and F-18 E/F are entirely new designs, then they are analogous. One is not more “newer” than another.

The F-18 E/F didn’t need an entirely different FBW system as the F/A-18 had the first digital FBW system, the control laws obviously are different as they are different aircraft.

AND this is EXACTLY the same things that I was saying to the beginning , FBW!
They areboth extreme derivation from an initial model bearing just a far resemblance with them.

Yes original IOC was 2010/11 but even before the F-35 had its first flight in Dec 2006 the IOC had been moved. First flight was originally scheduled for 2005 but was delayed to 2006 due to the weight saga.

If you have forgotten, the weight saga occurred because the JPO requested LM to make all three variants capable of carrying a 2,000 lb weapon internally. LM foolishly agreed, so both parties share the blame, but that resulted in first flight being delayed a year, and IOC and the production schedule being delayed by the JPO.

If your point is that it was nine years from first flight to IOC then yes you are correct but Spudman is right, the total delay to IOC was 5 years.

Ozair, you can disagree with my all you want but almost try to not actually put other in jeopardy: Spudman himself had recognized that he has misinterpreted my post and made so an error and you said that he was indeed right?
Go back ad read what he said,please.
A.t.c in trying to support him, you made instead his own positioneven worse as you affirmed that also the first flight was delayed of an year: if you are true, total delay would amount to six years , one to get to first flight and 5 between it and IOC…
Poor Spud, with friend like these…

Your last sentence makes little sense.

The actual 5 years is still not your fictitious 10 years of being late.

2006 Was the planned 1st flight timeline.

No, you misunderstood: in not any point I have said 10 years late. Check it.
I have said instead that it’s the double of the envisaged time to reach IOC: 2006 to 2010/2011 is 4/5 years, 2006 to 2015/2016 9 to 10 yen years.

4,5 x 2= 9 10/2=10 Double of the time for passing from an intermediate point to another more advanced but still intermediate point of the whole development process,.
We unfortunately still don’t know when the whole process is going to be finished.
You have previously published a graphic showing how also the date of the successive software release has been stretched up consistently, so other delays are still possible.

P.S. and needless to say, I hope that they wouldn’t have any, I’m critic to many aspect of the programs but not at such a point of hoping it to fail: my country still need it to renovate their A2G line.

Per the original 2001 contract the USMC/USAF IOCs were 2010/11 but ended up 2015/16… that’s a 5 year delay for you who lack math skills.

F-35 performed it’s first flight in december 2016, was supposed to get IOC in 4/5 years, it reached it (with relaxed perameters, it seems) in 9/10, it’s the double of time for the ones that can make use of a calendar.
For a comparison: Su-35S made its first flight in february 2008, is in service from 2014 and went, according to russian standard that doesn’t envisage IOC and LRIP, in full scale production from the beginning.

And that IOC date was changed in 2004 to reflect the 2012 date based on additional requirements added to the program and the weight gain saga.

The cost is pretty clear as well, total program cost is approximately 35% over the original 2001 budget, adjusted for inflation and incorporating reduced aircraft buy numbers.

Yes, also because any significative delays mean the need to recalibrate the program to keep pace with technological advancements.
Said so, if you think that it means that the program is somewhere in jeopardy: I fear you will be deluded, at this point there is not any viable alternative, so they would keep on with it and wouldn’t cut anything in its numbers as it not just “too big to fall”, it’s also “too costly to reduce orders”.

You are suggesting that any air force that got F-35 and another fighter, the F-35 must be used in AG role while the other fighter will be used in AA role. That simply not the case, they could be operating a high/low mix of multi role fighter. For example Korean operate F-16C/D and F-15E both can operate in both AA and A2G

Yes, it’s a way better option for a nation having two different lines of fighters to use each one in the role in which they are better versed…
There is not in the world a multirole plane able to perform equally well in all the respective A2A and A2G niches.
There are even some niches in both A2A than A2G in which a very specialized plane is still considered a better option.
So, when someone has two (or even more) different lines , she would use one in some roles and the other in the remaining ones.
F-35, I repeat it again, excel in the A2G at such a point to be potentially capable to operate in missions that are currently covered by specialized planes, so I don’t see any rationale to waste its own excellent capabilities in this field and use it in an A2A role when an alternative fighter, any of them, is available.

And the F-15E although derived by an air superiority plane is a specialized deep strike fighter, not a multirole.
It doesn’t perform CAP , scrambles and air patrol mission and neither would perform its own missions without having other planes to escort and support.
Certainly , one can potentially get rid of CFT and bombs racks and use it as it was a F-15C instead but actually no one of its user has done it AFAIK, neither as an escort to other F-15E.