paul1867Pics of the CAF air display now starting in “Photographic” with the beautiful Dove. You can go for a flight in the Dove.
paul1867uncritical supporter of our ‘boys in blue’.
There you go again jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. There are corrupt policemen just as there are corrupt people in any group of people in any walk of life. Why do you always think you know how other people think and then tell them how you think they ought to think. The Tomlinson case was a travesty from start to finish by everybody involved and made me sick. My approach is exactly Edgar’s approach innocent until proven guilty and research before coming to any conclusions. The point of the OP is to find out, as a matter of interest to me, how many people believed what they saw and were being told. I took the trouble of finding out before I posted to find out what the actual situation was and it was very, very far from what was being portrayed. I will explain exactly what was going on in a later post but I doubt if you will bother to read it because you want to believe that it was the nasty police breaking the law. You could have looked into it yourself but again if it knocks the police it must be true why bother checking it.
I am interested in the opinion of forumites provided it is well thought out and factual. People who resort to derogatory comments of other people’s arguments and are derogatory to others personally are usually on the back foot and feel they are not winning their argument and lack the common courtesy in which the manner of a good debate should be conducted. It is strange that you were be-wowing the loss of ethical behaviour yet in this debate and others I have seen you lack it yourself in this regard.
Whilst I am sure you don’t give a t@ss what I think, and will probably say so, I was interested in and respected your point but that has somewhat been tarnished by your attitude to other people’s opinions.
I think it is now time to agree to disagree and move on after you have had the last word.
I would seriously like your view though when I have explained what actually was going on in the OP video because if you do not change your view on it, this particular occasion not the police in general, all this would have been for nothing.
paul1867uncritical supporter of our ‘boys in blue’.
There you go again jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions. There are corrupt policemen just as there are corrupt people in any group of people in any walk of life. Why do you always think you know how other people think and then tell them how you think they ought to think. The Tomlinson case was a travesty from start to finish by everybody involved and made me sick. My approach is exactly Edgar’s approach innocent until proven guilty and research before coming to any conclusions. The point of the OP is to find out, as a matter of interest to me, how many people believed what they saw and were being told. I took the trouble of finding out before I posted to find out what the actual situation was and it was very, very far from what was being portrayed. I will explain exactly what was going on in a later post but I doubt if you will bother to read it because you want to believe that it was the nasty police breaking the law. You could have looked into it yourself but again if it knocks the police it must be true why bother checking it.
I am interested in the opinion of forumites provided it is well thought out and factual. People who resort to derogatory comments of other people’s arguments and are derogatory to others personally are usually on the back foot and feel they are not winning their argument and lack the common courtesy in which the manner of a good debate should be conducted. It is strange that you were be-wowing the loss of ethical behaviour yet in this debate and others I have seen you lack it yourself in this regard.
Whilst I am sure you don’t give a t@ss what I think, and will probably say so, I was interested in and respected your point but that has somewhat been tarnished by your attitude to other people’s opinions.
I think it is now time to agree to disagree and move on after you have had the last word.
I would seriously like your view though when I have explained what actually was going on in the OP video because if you do not change your view on it, this particular occasion not the police in general, all this would have been for nothing.
paul1867they’ve only given us 15 minutes right at the end of the day to make a bit of noise. 🙁
Ah yes but for many of us those 15 minutes will be the best of the day.
paul1867Welcome back John, we have missed you. Couple of points. The RNLI guys who actually go out on the boats as far as I know are all volunteers. I think the land based mechanic and admin are paid. This is why it is a charity that I am very happy to donate to. They also venture out these days with the best equipment money can buy and quite rightly so. They are also, but not always, seamen and are highly trained in this sort of rescue.
Can I assume that you meant this thread rather than forum?
I would certainly agree that ethical behaviour and sense of obligation plus good manners and thinking of more than just yourself appear to be no more in general but I do not think that applies to the reasoned arguments put forward on this thread. Nobody has said “S@d you mate I am not going to lift a finger to help you under any circumstances”. Can I point out to you that a women died last year in the approved section of the same pool surrounded by other bathers and with a lifeguard present. She just disappeared, the alarm was raised and despite attempts by the lifeguard and others she could not be found. Many hours later the Police diving team dragged the area and found her. She had had a heart attach brought on by cold shock. The important point is despite all their efforts in a known location they could not find her.
There are two other interesting cases which apply to our debate.
The first is a case at a quarry with plenty of signs up saying it is dangerous to bath. Despite this an adult male went in and got into trouble. Another man jumped in to help him and they both drowned.
The second was a 12 year old girl accidentally fell into the Thames and a man jumped in to help her. He was never seen again, she was saved.
I think what some of us are saying is that the situation has to be assessed at the time and if help is possible render what help you are best able to supply. Pointless gestures may look good but there are many other factors to consider when putting your life at risk.
Personally if the person cannot be seen in all reality I doubt I would go in unless for some reason I thought I could actually achieve something. With the child if I had seen her go in I would like to think I would have the guts to go in after her even though I cannot swim, her life is more precious than mine.
paul1867Welcome back John, we have missed you. Couple of points. The RNLI guys who actually go out on the boats as far as I know are all volunteers. I think the land based mechanic and admin are paid. This is why it is a charity that I am very happy to donate to. They also venture out these days with the best equipment money can buy and quite rightly so. They are also, but not always, seamen and are highly trained in this sort of rescue.
Can I assume that you meant this thread rather than forum?
I would certainly agree that ethical behaviour and sense of obligation plus good manners and thinking of more than just yourself appear to be no more in general but I do not think that applies to the reasoned arguments put forward on this thread. Nobody has said “S@d you mate I am not going to lift a finger to help you under any circumstances”. Can I point out to you that a women died last year in the approved section of the same pool surrounded by other bathers and with a lifeguard present. She just disappeared, the alarm was raised and despite attempts by the lifeguard and others she could not be found. Many hours later the Police diving team dragged the area and found her. She had had a heart attach brought on by cold shock. The important point is despite all their efforts in a known location they could not find her.
There are two other interesting cases which apply to our debate.
The first is a case at a quarry with plenty of signs up saying it is dangerous to bath. Despite this an adult male went in and got into trouble. Another man jumped in to help him and they both drowned.
The second was a 12 year old girl accidentally fell into the Thames and a man jumped in to help her. He was never seen again, she was saved.
I think what some of us are saying is that the situation has to be assessed at the time and if help is possible render what help you are best able to supply. Pointless gestures may look good but there are many other factors to consider when putting your life at risk.
Personally if the person cannot be seen in all reality I doubt I would go in unless for some reason I thought I could actually achieve something. With the child if I had seen her go in I would like to think I would have the guts to go in after her even though I cannot swim, her life is more precious than mine.
paul1867I like the Ever Decreasing Circles six inch nail episode. Believe it or not there is still a shop like that in Menai Bridge. Bit of a long way to go though for one nail.
paul1867I like the Ever Decreasing Circles six inch nail episode. Believe it or not there is still a shop like that in Menai Bridge. Bit of a long way to go though for one nail.
paul1867Big celebrations on the 18 June. 200 hundred years since we put one over on the French little corporal.
paul1867Big celebrations on the 18 June. 200 hundred years since we put one over on the French little corporal.
paul1867I’ve had this reply from Classic re catering tomorrow
There’ll be two large catering vehicles, one selling hand-made burgers and the other offering various hot and cold sandwiches. There’ll also be a stall selling Honker’s Stew, which was the strange brew that fuelled Shackleton and Nimrod crews for years. It was concocted from the contents of the crew’s ration packs, which might sound unappetizing, but believe me, it’s bloody delicious! It’s no problem, of course, if you want to bring a picnic.
Hope we’ll be seeing you tomorrow.
Kind regards,
Jem Shaw
paul1867It seems amusing that a mythical cache of buried Spitfires can make grown men lose all sense of balance and decorum. It appears most of you cannot be trusted to discuss a mythical cache of buried Spitfires without it getting very personal! If only this anger could be directed at something useful…
I think it was a small minority who were having the spats that lead to suspension of the thread. A major problem with any thread that becomes long is repetition by new people coming to the thread not having read previous posts. That is perhaps understandable in this case. The previous time it was suspended I suggested deleting all posts after arounder #2000 which would have left all the valuable well researched posts and the first round of debate. This would have been quick and easy for the mods.
paul1867It seems amusing that a mythical cache of buried Spitfires can make grown men lose all sense of balance and decorum. It appears most of you cannot be trusted to discuss a mythical cache of buried Spitfires without it getting very personal! If only this anger could be directed at something useful…
I think it was a small minority who were having the spats that lead to suspension of the thread. A major problem with any thread that becomes long is repetition by new people coming to the thread not having read previous posts. That is perhaps understandable in this case. The previous time it was suspended I suggested deleting all posts after arounder #2000 which would have left all the valuable well researched posts and the first round of debate. This would have been quick and easy for the mods.
paul1867Many thanks Rich.
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