Still, If you have a PPL not only will you be flying it, you will be tuning the radios, talking to people on the ground and reading a map on your lap all at the same time, even at night…………..

But when your in a car you have only a millisecond to respond to someone cutting you up or you might even be tailgating when the person in front brakes.

In an aircraft unless you are in a very crowded traffic pattern its hardly the same is it. Miles of open sky around you. But as we all know aviation has bigger consequences if you choose to disobey the rules.

For me it’s quite simple. The law is the law. If I choose to break it I have to face the consequences.

Quite possibly the most sensible thing anyone has said on this thread.

It is up to each individual to decide to follow or break it.

I think the complexities of travelling at the speed of light are a million times more complicated than travelling faster the speed of sound. But I am fascinated by what we will learn from these CERN experiments.

Agreed and I think that now we have this starting point that the next few generations will be able to take the information and develope technology even futher.

Mega-fast terabillion internet anyone? 🙂

I dont really see a problem in posting a link to a video as long as the people are made aware that it could be disturbing and possibly what is contained within. Then people can then make an informed decision on whether or whether not to click the link.

Now please oh please do not take me the wrong way in what I am going to say next as I have been thinking of other ways to put this but it seems like the only way I can put it is by saying it the only way I can at the moment.

I watch crash videos as a way of learning and trying to understand the way in which accidents occur and why. I enjoy watching these videos as a way of learning.

This was the word to not take the wrong way.

I do not however watching enjoy watching human suffering so would not possibly like to see over 5 minutes of the crowd from an airshow crash writhing about on stretchers and being carted off to hospital. I can however deal with this and put it in context to try and follow what has happened around the scene ie the spread of wreckage and where everything happend to end up.

Why am I like that? Because I am interested in the subject. What causes accident and how to prevent them. Maybe one day I will be the one to recommend to the CAA of whomever the official body is that airshows should be given the green light to continue because of A, B and C. You never know but one day it might be my job.

In the mean time I keep a close interest in the subject. I have been to quite a few historic wreck sites over the years but not as many as other have been to and I learn from each one. I try and understand what happened and why.

I do agree with both sides of this argument from different angles as there are a number of things about this. Like I think people should be shielded from the gore as some people would have it but personally it doesnt bother me. Maybe from the amount of gore films and maybe from the amount of documentaries about the war in (Enter theatre of operation here) that show the bloodiest of injuries and death there on our screens I have become a bit less sensative to the whole thing. It does mean that I dont care that people have lost their lives I do but I can however put my feeling like that to one side because I did not know these people. Now it may be different if someone I knew or love was there and injured.

I dont really care that now I may be called several different names because of how I think. I really dont care that you dont want to see videos or that you want to see videos. It is life and the loss of life. It is a fact and it was factual. It was an event that happened.

What I do care about is that the whole subject is treated with the care respect and dignity it deserves and doesnt end up becoming a side show in a circus as it some many times has in the past.

Just remember there are other people viewing that may see your comments and who may even be one of the grieving families.

My piece said and I will say no more on it. I just felt this thread does deserve some sort of reply and is a better place here in GD than on the incident thread on historic.

The OP had presented a serious debate about this theory and the now new results which seem to turn a theory on its head.

I dont know anything about the scientific end of things here but the article was well written so that anyone had half a chance to understand.

Is this the first instance of anything travelling faster that the speed of light other than anything Sci-Fi related. We broke the speed of sound so why not one day with the right technology the speed of light?

I think as technology gets better each generation then the next generation has a higher base level to start at and can think at the higher level and therefore the technology get ever better.

Does that make sense? I think it does anyhow.

Why am I reminded of a group of rubber-neckers stood around a car crash debating how the wheel came off which then caused the car to slam into a bus stop full of people?

Andy this coming from a guy whos has been to and seen more “Historic” aircraft crash sites than I will ever see in my life time. You of all people should understand a little more why interest in an accident is so high. Yes we have some people who just go off the rails within a thread but come on not everyone is like that.

I think the root of the problem is that a lot of people KNOW the aircraft involved or for the love of their particular aircraft, In this case a Mustang. They did not know the people but maybe have heard about the pilot before. This is why I think people find it so hard to relate to the people as well and not just the aircraft.

All the people dying in an accident outwith their control and as seems more likely outwith the pilots control is a tragedy. The fact that they died doing and seeing something the love is not. The world mourns the families loss but it will not stop the next fatal accident from occuring but maybe we wont see another Mustang suffer the same fault whatever the findings are.

The loss of a much loved machine is not a tragedy its is simply a sad event for all involved. Machines can and will be rebuilt or aquired through a source and restored. I cant see all these machines surviving unless they are grounded permanently. The older they get the worse the airframes will become until eventually they do get grounded. No matter how much maintainence there is sometime their lifespan will end.

But as all of us well know human kind always want to higher faster further than ever before and this will not stop us. Maybe new laws or rules come along to stand in our way but in the end we usually find a way around them.

Dave I am so glad that you are here will us today I am truely grateful to whomever deals with the death tolls that you are here today. It saddens me that others perished and others continue to have deal with the aftermath of such an incident.

I am sure that any pilot would not want such an incident to spoil your love of aircraft and I am sure GG and her pilot would not want you to give up your love of aviation. While I can understand you feeling the way you do or the way you have felt. Dont let it stop you.

With avation you have to embrace everything contained within that. Whether its the love of an aircraft or the research on the pilots that people do or even the accident that happens. As long as we learn and do not forget the people involved then there is no shame in doing what we do.

This is the last time I will say this as it has been said many times already and saying it over and over will not bring the people that died back.

God speed to the fallen and may peace go with you. To the ones left behind may peace one day be with you once more.

In one of the videos found online it shows the aircraft in flight before vertical dive. I knew it seemed stranged at the time the move that he was carrying out but the aircraft performs what seems to be a hesitation roll. It rolls through 90 degrees and then into the 180 inverted attitude. Then comes the dive. This has been described somewhere as basically the aircraft flying itself and possibly some input from the pilot trying to correct or maybe even fully unconcious and his body jamming the controls somehow.

I have no futher comments on this I had just observed how accurate the hesitation roll looked. Not trying to find fault in the flying or indeed with the pilot.

So strange to think the pilot had little or no control over this control input.

I think it means that in order for the aircraft to pitch up as much as it did in this case and in Voodoo down trim on the elevator is required.

When the trim lets go for whatever reason this produces the uncompensated effect of pitching up violently.

Can someone from an aviation background confirm this. I am only apply common sense but that doesnt always apply in aviation does it.