Sorry guys but it would be a couple of C4 packs and the tower coming to me for that kinda repair if I was doing it. 😮

I could probably get up so far but at that point I would be jelly enough.

I have a deep set fear of heights and it just gets worse over the years.

I dont mind telling you that I did not like it one little bit standing on the tower in the pleasure beach in Blackpool waiting to get on the Revolution. I dont do heights. This video made me feel very odd indeed even though my feet were firmly on the ground.

Reminds me of a U2 song “Vertigo”

I will fly and do now and again. I love the take off and love landing. I hate cruising at height. Its boring and I feel uneasy. But I do suck it in and get on with it.

But when I was 16 and in the RCT we were all going to go on the parachute course. Because all of us hoped to get on the air despatch course. How does that work. 🙂

Arthur,

for once you and I agree.

your last few sentances said it all.

Indeed I agree.

Thank you that man for the most informative link.

To all who are discussing this topic.

I stand by all that I have said.

Arthur,

Selective quotations at their best. This is a dicussion forum and as such should be used by us all for the dicussion of said topic.

Where in my post have I been disrespectful??

Also what you quoted from my post was no more or less what has been said in any of the news reports on here. What do you see as not treating the post with dignity about using the words carted off??? I could have said whisked away. Sped away. What words would you have me use Arthur??

Please PM me with your answer so we can finish this discussion off forum and not disturb this thread anymore.

RE: Outraged, Please read my post again I never ever said I was outraged.

I simply gave my opinion on what I thought. Bobs post is a very welcome post about the construction of the Garden but I fail to see where this has any bearing on the fact that my post lacks dignity. I dont think you are the right person to say whats dignified and what is not when it comes to other people. Anyhow lets not turn this post into as me versus you battle as so many other post do. Lets just stick to our own opinions. RE: the Garden While a very welcome idea and indeed it seems this will go ahead. Apart from the families if they so wish. Who will actually turn up. How much of an effort will it be to get to this area. I only ask as I have no idea myself not knowing the area all that well. I think it gives the family a quiet place to reflect if they so wish but it is a far cry from passing through a town who could stop during their everyday hustle and bustle to pay their respects. How many people will now not go because its too far and requires far more planning.

Maybe I am the only one to feel like this and so be it. It is my ideas and opinion only.

I will state again I am only interested in the thoughts and feeling of the Military families involved. My thoughts will always be with them.

Why should we only honour the fallen on one day of the year? For some, every day is Remembrance Day….

Very well said Bob. Indeed. Something for a lot of people on here to think about.

It is interesting that in the First World War only one soldier was repatriated and he is in Westminster abbey.

Due to economics and the relative size of the task compared to the resources available. Or simply that the men who died there remained with their fellow fallen soldiers. And probably a thousand other reasons we know nothing of. I am not a Great War historian but that is my take on the situation. We had very different ideas back then. How ideas can change in only 100 years.

I believe that relatives were becoming uncomfortable with having to display their grief in public during the “parades”.

As I said in my post my only thoughts are with the families and how they wish their loved one to be remembered. It should be their right alone to discuss and decide if its right for their family member to be carted off through a side gate or through the public streets.

If the route doesn’t go through Wootton Basset any more then so be it.

It doesnt we all know this already. This is fact or didn’t you read the article. I did!!

“Outrage” is fine but get outraged over something else.

It is our right to be outraged over any damned thing I please. I wasnt saying I was outraged by this I merely stated my own opinion and that these chaps and chapettes gave their lives for our freedom. Only thing that matters is their memory the thoughts and feelings of the family and that freedom that they gave their lives for.

Treat this matter with the dignity it deserves.

I have the utmost respect for our fallen and I thought we all were treating this thread with the dignity it so richly deserves. I dont think anyone has stepped out of line here yet have they? One or two people need to read the article properly and absorb what it says but nobody has berated or attacked the matter at hand.

Arthur have you ever been to a military funeral or parade. Or even a memorial ceremony. By that I mean as part of the military. It is quite a family affair. By that I mean your close military family as well as the persons family. Unfortunately I have been at a military memorial and everone feels it. Not just the actual family. We lost one of our own that day even though none of us knew them personally. It was very hard for everyone to take. I have since lost relatives in the passing years and none of them affected me the way that the military death did. Or was it that this one just prepared me for the death of others. I dont know.

So please dont tell me or anyone else here to treat this matter with respect or dignity. I would be one of the first to tell someone off if they overstepped the mark and no one has yet. Lets get back to discussing the matter because this is what this place is.

“A Discussion Forum”

Some people would get outraged at anything really…

Arthur,

These men died so that we could be outraged at anything we like. Its called free speech and democracy.

Speaking from a personal point of view these fallen soldiers should be driven through the streets as a mark of respect and so that no one should forget their sacrifice.

But my only thoughts are for the families that have lost their loved ones and what their wishes are.

Personally I wish they (the government/MOD) Would stop changing so mant things and the traditions.

Soon we wont need an MOD as we will have no defence left to be in charge of. This is when the enemy will strike. Maybe not in my lifetime but it will happen.

And in that very eloquent couple of sentences you have defined reasonable force. You used enough force to defend yourself and subdue your assailant. You didn’t go on to beat him to death.

Kev I think really that in one of your previous posts you have described the problem and position the best of all of us when you quite simply said no one would know how they would react unless they are put in that position.

We should perhaps all reflect on that and hope that we never need to use resonable force or any other kind of force lest we have to use our own particular type of force that we have described here.

Merlin, when you open the garden gate does a giant log swing down on a rope? as you pass the garage does a giant springloaded branch covered in spikes spring round from the rear?

No Tony that would be silly.

We dont have a garage. 😀

But we do have a security gate with razor wire leading to our own private boardwalk.

Oh but mind the claymores if your planning to visit. 🙂