Well as they said in the film.
The warbird pilots loops were not perfect so as to avoid being in a straight line and after all they were trying to teach him combat manouvers not precise aerobatics.
I especially like the bit where the pilot used to fly with rudder trim to avoid being in a straight line and that the bullets used to fly right past him. Pete Brothers was it who said that. My memory really is terrible.
Great poem. A lot to be said in so few words.
just keeping the post on top for others to see.
10 am would suit me fine.
for those wishing to see the volunteers at work why dont you organise a midweek trip as well.
Count me in as well guys. But it really does have to be a Saturday as I work all week. Saturday 24th sounds good as a base to start on.
Originally posted by Flood
Yes (see the ‘with modifications’ bit in my last post) – but that was not what I was referring to…
None of them were used by 603 Sqn at the end of the war!Flood.
Hi Flood,
Just retelling the story exactly as I was told.
And as far as I am to believe lend / lease applied to aircraft made with American money / materials or am I wrong.
Moggy for your own safety I wouldnt ever pick up any kind of ammo from a site just mark it if you can and the phone the police.
I have had dealings through a misunderstanding and now understand the MOD way of thinking and its in your best interest to take nothing to do with it apart from phone the cops
Having now read all the comments I must say I wouldnt buy this from him and he sounds a bit like a politician going round the subject and not answering the questions.
The fact that 11 men died on this trip and the way they died I would not have even attempted a dig as there would be and still will be human remains.
I have had personal experiance of finding human remains and on another site which we were visiting which was a B17 where 3 were fatal we found evidence of remains. A bone with cloth locked onto it. A very small piece of bone but there it was. We left the site as we found it but took away memories and left only footprints. Also having research that site we knew something of the crew and while we were there we had a thought for them.
If you tried for a licence on a similar site today I dont think the MOD would grant a licence as they have tightened the rules and we have had problems getting a licence for 3 straight forward sites to date.
Originally posted by Flood
I have it as 353BS/301BG, exploded soon after take off Lucera, 14/6/44 – 3KIA, 7RTD. (The B-17 Flying Fortress Story – Arms and Armour)Somebody has been ‘grave robbing’;). (And I mean that in a non-judgemental sense!)
Flood.
Flood,
They have only been grave robbing IF the bodies are listed as not being recovered and dont have a grave as such.
If the grave stone is on site then the whole site is a war grave and should not be touched. Simlilar to a Defiant near me.
Also if they didnt have a licence to dig then this would also be illegal. Dont actually think they should have removed the rounds from the site though as they wouldnt have been inert when they found them. The MOD EOD team would be very interested in the items shown I think.
I was told by them MOD the only way a civilian could get hold of ammo from a site was for the EOD team to remove it for them and deactivate it. And that the would only do it if it was of particular interest. Say a ammo round not normally found in an aircraft or other reasons.
I had dealings with the MOD some time ago which some of you may remember so I learnt a quite a bit on the subject.
Personally I dont see anything wrong with it as there are a lot more sick things going on in the world for me to worry about somebody taking a bit of an aircraft especially if the had a licence to do so.
What the legal implicatiobns to selling it are I dont know because I though it was illegal to sell items recovered but I might have it wrong.
Look up The Protection of Military Remains Act 1986 to find out the full story.
Originally posted by Flood
Maybe they were Packard Merlins under lend-lease rules – same as the Corsairs, Hellcats, Avengers tipped overboard from carriers on their way home? But then that won’t account for the Seafires, etc, that were also ditched…Flood.
Flood,
I would agree with that one. I talked to a 603 (City of Edinburgh) pilot about 3 years ago. A long conversation as I remember missed quite a few aircraft going by but it was worth it. People are better than planes anyday. Anyhow he told me of flying his spit to the back of a carrier off Scotland and then getting ferried back to the coast to do it all over again. The aircraft were lend lease and needed to be off british soil or Britain would be liable for the cost or something like that so he was there to see them pushed of the side of the carrier.
Also I contacted a Museum in Scotland about the possible recovery of parts at the end of their runway and I was told they have first pick of the items recovered. They aparently have details of where exactly to look as a small trench was uncovered for some reason an filled back in because of what was there.
How true are these stories ???
only the people telling them will know that. But I wouls suggest that the Museum story is true as there was talk about a dig being organised but nothing has come up yet.
The real martians are the muppets who think politics are the answer.
As for the balloon (sorry UFO) how bad is it when someone describes the aircraft as a Spit and thunderbolt. Are we to believe that they know what a UFO is when they cant even tell what aircraft are flying.
See the bottom comment on the page.
Nice engine. I just wonder how these guys get these engine so perfect in miniature.
I have in the past been offered a restoration project of a Gypsy Queen engine but I turned it down on the grounds that my money would have to fund the project for materials but then the guy wanted it back. No thanks was my reply.
Have you ever seen the model Merlin engine. I have seen it in a modelling magazine before I think it might have been model engineering last year sometime.
The guy has been doing a Merlin which will go into a Spitfire once he has finished or so I remember someone saying.
The head had been done and now the crank case was being made. I really envy these guys but love the way they take the time to do this stuff.
And for number 5 we have a side on enigine shot.
More pictures tommorrow night.
Number 5.
Another post restoration shot.
Number 4.
And after the restoration and hard work has been done.
Number 3.
Another pre-restoration shot.
Number 2.