RE: Thanks for the great comments….!!!!!!! (*long post sry..)

Peter I was the one who mentioned he pick pocketing because I know it has allegedly taking place and this is what the person was charged for.
So this action has already been reported and laid to rest.

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The only exception would be in the case of an mod approved recovery that includes the remains of the crew and the return of these remains to the families
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I am unsure if any group would be allowed to do this Peter I rather think if a group discovered a substantial body that either the police or MOD would dig it up due to forensics. Also you still have to prove it was indeed the pilot as it would not be the first time a body was put in an old wreck and passed of as the Driver/Pilot or whatever.

If there are any people on this forum who are part of a recovery team I would very much like to hear your comments on projects you have done / are doing.

Please post here on the forum / Email me or private message me.

Regards Merlin

RE: What other hobbies do you guys / gals have ?

I fly RC model aircraft. I fly sims. I build model aircraft. I run my website (aviation). I look for wrecks.

need I say more practically anything about planes. I dont do the spotting part though. I dont find airliners boring I like all flight but being near Edinburgh I have seen some good take off and landings in the passing but really dont want to sit and spot all day other than at Airshows.

Merlin

RE: This was rated Worlds Best Joke Of The Year.

Not the worlds best joke but here goes.

This guy really wants a pet and decides on a budgie. He goes to the pet shop and asks the man for a budgie. The man sid were out of budgies but I have a really good parrot and he is half price at the moment. So with some persuasion the guy takes the Parrot and put it in his cage at home. Everything is quiet for a few days as the parrot settles in. then it happens the parrot starts to bite him kick him spit at him and curses and swears like a trooper. After a few days the guy get fed up with the bird he has tried biting it back he has tried shouting at it and putting a towel over the cage but all to no avail. So he decides I ll put it in the fridge as a punishment and see if he cools off. So he put it in the fridge with a fight and of course its shouting and swearing but after a few minutes all goes quiet. The man thinking he has killed the bird open the fridge and it walks out and says Sorry old chap dreadfully sorry about the swearing and biting I realy dont know what I was thinking. The guy accepts it apology and thinks that is that. Then the bird speaks again. One thing I would like to know. What the hell did the chicken do.

Merlin

RE: aircraft ordnance

Sorry Moggy I did it again. I have always been told that any kind of shell was dangerous and correct me if Im wrong but if the conditions are right couldnt a machine gun shell blow up too??

Of course you are right with the Cannon Shell.

But really if unsure about anything to come out of your dig then you should leave well alone.

Merlin

RE: Huh????

No Geforce James comment were not racist but they were unwelcome or in very bad taste check this one out for size. This is why I gave him a negative rating.

***what are you 14 years old?is that the middle finger that went up your rectum when you were abused?***

Bad taste I would say. If you cant stand the guy the say so just dont get abusive like this though. There is no place for this kind of stuff on this forum or any other. (perhaps some specialised forums accept this but why should we have to put up with it here)

What I have said here didnt origionate from the post (Whos you favourite memebers) but rather from further on when the abuse started.

Sorry this is my opinion and I hope James can prove to be a very knowledgable guy and prove a few of use wrong. There is nothing I would like more than to have a good discussion about aviation or other military topic with him. But until then well lets wait and see.

Merlin

RE: aircraft wrecks in Scotland

Firstly I would like to point out that under no circumstances should you remove any part of a wreck or anything related to the wreck. This can result in prosecution from the authorites. This is only if you are caught but is it worth running the risk.

If you go to a site and find wreckage by all means pick it up and try an id it but DO NOT take it home with you. If it is that important that it shouldnt be left there for anyone else to remove then hide it somewhere at the wreck so you know where to find it. Then the next step is to write to the MOD at Innsworth if I remember correctly for a copy of a licence application form which has all the details on it.

You will need the following to be able to fill in the form. The landowners permission, The Serial number and aircraft type you are wanting to dig and a few other details that I dont have of hand.

You may then be granted a licence or indeed you may be refused.

Only after that can you remove any effects from the site.

Then you will have to obide by the Protection of Military Remains Act.

Which tells you all you need to know about wreckology and the law.

If there are Graves on site then it is very very unlikely that you would get any licence as these are actual grave sites. Places that only have memorials are another matter as they might still be active sites but at some point someone has seen fit to place a memorial. Although it is more than likely that the person who put the memorial there has already dug the site so there may be no point ot digging it again.

A word to the wise. There has been a case recently that saw the prosecution of an idividual for disturbing remains of a pilot. They alegedly dug around the pilot remove items from his pockets etc etc. I dont know what the final result was but I would like to give this as a warning for any would be wreck hunters but aimed more to the tresure hunters among us. I have discussed this issue with the idividual and was warned what to do and what not to do to avoid legal action as the clearly admitted their mistake and were unsure of the law. This is how I remember the discussion with the person. If they happen to be on the forum and dont remember it this way then please correct me. I do not wish any misunderstandings between us and meant no harm. I am only trying to warn others.

Wreck hunting is a great sport and very rewarding if you like that kind of thing. But you should really know what you are doing before going of to dig. Find out as much as you can about the wreck before you go digging. If the aircraft crashed and got buried the there is a possibility that there may be ordanance on board and you should proceed with caution if anything comes up that you cant id as a piece of aircraft IT MIGHT BE EXPLOSIVE. Also more often than not you will find machine gun shells be very cautious with these also they might still be able to blow a hand or arm off.

All said and done enjoy your sport and have a good time. Also if we can try and remove more important bits for safe keeping but try and find a musuem that will take them rather than keeping them yourself.

If you go to the North East of England Air Crash Research http://www.neeacr.co.uk and follow thew links for the Hunter dig you will find a complete report on the crash and dig from 2000 also updated to include the 2001 dig aswell. I was involved with the dig and enjoyed it. I would like to see these sites cleaned up of all the “useable” bits of wreckage so to help preserve our flying warbirds but some sites should be left well alone. Some sites also need protection from tresure hunters. Did you know it is illegal for you to dig a piece of aircraft from your own back garden if you dont have a licence.

Merlin