Nice article on the occassion of the 75th anniversary of the IAF
More than mere air warriors
PANKAJA SRINIVASAN
For 75 years the wardens of the sky have faced the unexpected, the tragic and the miraculous with equanimity and courage. Recollecting acts of simple courage and humanity on the Platinum Jubilee of the IAF.
They say it is all in a day’s work. Fighting wars, saving lives, ferrying the dead, hobnobbing with Heads of State, jumping out of airplanes, delivering mail, and winning medals. In the Northeast, they have lived in “Bashas”, often nothing more than makeshift bamboo structures put up on disused taxi tracks. In sub-zero temperatures of Ladakh when placing their un-gloved hands on metal, they have had their skin ripped off like Velcro (it is called “cold burn”). They have watched their buddies die. Nostalgic moments
A chance encounter with some “old dogs” turns nostalgic as the Men in Blue raise a toast to the Indian Air Force in her 75th year and relive experiences, some goose-bump moments, some funny, others sad, all of them unforgettable.
Harry Ahluwalia says there are some that will haunt him forever. “It was December 15, 1971, the last day of the 1971 war and the ceasefire was to take effect at 1700 hours. In one of the three Canberra Bombers that took off for the last raid of the war in the East was my friend. I was on duty when the aircraft returned. There were only two. I desperately prayed things would turn out right. They did not. The third aircraft had been hit by ground fire and both the pilot and the navigator were killed.” Ahluwalia says, “We had been friends since we were knee high to a shot gun and I had followed him into the Air Force.”
Burnt into memoryAnother incident that he cannot forget. “Mizo insurgency was at its peak and as I prepared to get back to my unit at Silchar from an outpost at Champai, somewhere in the eastern sector, 16 Gurkha jawans asked me for a lift. The Mi-4 helicopter could only take 12, and the rest had to undertake the trip on foot. I learnt subsequently that the road party was ambushed by the Mizos, and of the seven Gurkhas who lost their lives, four were those I had not allowed on board.”
Often the IAF has made the difference between life and death, like it did in the case of Subedar Gurung. It was a Sunday. Raju Srinivasan was planning to watch a movie with friends, when his flight commander summoned him and detailed him for a casualty evacuation at Tangdhar, in Kashmir. “There was bad weather over the Sadhana Pass. But we decided we were not going back till we finished the task. A little window in the clouds and we managed to get across”. As he approached the helipad, Raju could just make out a stretcher with a man bandaged from head to toe; he had stepped on a mine. Only his eyes were visible that followed Raju as he supervised the loading of the stretcher into the helicopter. “We wondered if he would be able to take the journey at 15,000 ft altitude. With some words of reassurance to the soldier, I took off and brought him back to Srinagar, where the Military Hospital was.”
A year later, Raju was sitting in an unreserved compartment of the Jhelum Express. Suddenly, a man grabbed him and gave him a bear hug and he heard a gruff voice enquiring, “Saab, are you the same helicopter pilot?” As Raju looked at him uncomprehendingly, the stranger introduced himself as Subedar Gurung — the man on the stretcher at Tangdhar. “I thought I would die, but you came up to me and told me I would be fine. And, here I am.” Saying that, Gurung bundled a protesting Raju, luggage and all onto his berth. “After that, at every station he bought me tea, lassi and milk in turn,” recalls Raju.
There have been times when the roles have been reversed. It was bad weather as usual and the roads had been blocked for more than a fortnight. The local army commander was to be flown to Darbuk, in Ladakh. After the chopper landed and the General had gone off to inspect his troops, a jawan approached the pilots and asked if they would take him with them to Leh. Of course, he was denied the lift as it was a VIP commitment. Wordlessly, the jawan showed them an invitation card. He was getting married the following day at a village near Jaipur and if he did not leave that day, he would miss his own wedding! The pilots hesitatingly asked the General if he would permit the jawan in the helicopter. He did, and squeezing himself next to the VIP, the prospective bridegroom reached Leh. There, he was bundled into the General’s car, rushed to the other end of the runway to an AN12 that was about to take off to Chandigarh, just a couple of hours from his village. He made it to his wedding.
Out of the airParatrooper Minoo Vania has frequently encountered the bizarre as he jumped out of airplanes. He tells of a jump at Gorakhpur. “After a night jump, we found we were one paratrooper short. We fanned out to look for the missing man. He had drifted off, and his parachute had snagged on a tree. His reserve parachute, instead of billowing out had somehow wrapped itself around him. In the dark, he did not dare jump, as he was unsure how far below the ground was. Vania and his men found him early next morning. He was just three feet off the ground, cocooned in the hammock created by his parachute, fast asleep!
Another wild encounter was when Vania found himself surrounded by fierce looking tribals wielding machetes. “Petrified, I started blabbering, ‘me Indian, Nehru, Air force…’ till I saw a lad with a La Martinere blazer. Though that was all he wore, I felt really foolish. Here I was with my own people and in my own country and I thought they were sizing me up for the pot. I splashed up to the fiercest looking gent and offered him a cigarette and soon we were friends. They had seen airplanes, but it was the first time they had seen someone come down the sky, the way I did.”
The stories never end. The Air Warriors continue to encounter the unexpected, the miraculous and the tragic with equanimity and laugh at themselves, pick up the pieces and move on. Like the valiant Sikh officer who, landing a fragile Gnat at dusk, hit a boar. The aircraft broke up on impact, but the pilot escaped. On picking himself up from the debris, he is supposed to have said, “Please, make sure I get my share of the boar meat.”

Syria has a problem. It has to give away the site and nature of it to claim something. Not in Syrias intrest, when something secret is to hide to the public. The impotence of own AD is nothing to highlight too.
The best way to bail out from that is to downplay that incident and call it a failure.
Israel gives not away the details for good reasons. Such an action does involve three other parties at least. Turkey, Iraq and USA. Non has any intrest to be related to that. It was a high risc operation in some way.
Israel does operate F-15, F-16, C-130, Ch-53, S-70s like the USA and Turkey. So such type of aircraft landing in Turkey or Iraq will not rise suspicion. To glue some folie about the insignia temporary is enough to hide the true identity.
Could be true.If thats the case,then Israel not giving out details would have more to do with not provoking the international community.
Could be reverse scanrio as well…maybe Israelis failed this time and Syria didnt want to give out the location etc.Seems unlikely but remember that the IsAF a/c was forced to take evasive action…
Common sense says SF guys should have come via normal routes,then used a dune buggy or something penetrated the border at night,went to the site,designated the target etc,used the same way back into Iraq.
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Note the age of those planes. Almost every modern fighter has a retractable probe.But thats not the point. If the AdlA demands a fixed probe, why should Dassault design a retractable one? Because sealordlawrence says so? 😀
That is exactly the point I am making..that the preference has shifted from fixed ones to retractable ones.There should be some advantages after all fixed probes are simple to design,cheap,less maintainance etc.
And I am not saying Dassault has done a grave crime by going for a fixed probe.It will be like why does dassault design deltas.The aim was to determine if possible the reason why Dassault went for a fixed probe.And a lot of probable reasons have come up.
SLL is not saying they should design a retractable one.He was just saying which were the more probable reason according to his opinion and which of the reasons werent likely.We all have been doing the same.Only if someone from Dassault comes here and says explicitly the reason then the actual answer can be known.
‘Nuff said.No more wasting words/time on this trivial subject.
Retractable: F-101, F-105 (as if those were ever used), F-4, F-14, F/A-18, S-3, Jaguar, A-7 (not really a neat installation), MiG-31, Su-24, Su-30/35, Tu-22M3, Super Etendard, Mirage F1A, Typhoon, Tu-22M3.
You counted along?
Hawk-200,Mig-29K,Su-34,F-35,Su-33,Su-25 UBG,Typhoon,
btw Gripen has got a retractable probe.
Also count which of those are still flying around.
btw..i think that both sides gained something and lost something.Otherwise the winning side would have been all over the media by now with the details.
The engine of lakhshya can be used for a cruise missile at ease (with lighter composite body that is), but I feel they are not going to do this, they are making a new micro gas turbine, ATM only thing from Lakhshya other than the propulsion (whch is uncertain if the same or upgraded will be used in cruise missile or not) which can be easily used in cruise missile is IMU et al.
It can be but then again it depends on what payload you want to carry and over what range etc.
India Ready To Sell Supersonic Brahmos Missile To Malaysia
Brahmos Aerospace Private Ltd’s chief executive officer Dr A. Sivathanu Pillai said India would only sell the sophisticated missiles to countries that are friendly and those considered as strategic partners in India’s security equation.
“We have made a list of countries which are interested in our product and those with the defence budget to spend. In that list, definitely Malaysia is one of them because we have seen the interest shown by the country at our exhibitions in Langkawi and Kuala Lumpur,” he said.
“So we are in a good understanding but this is not sufficient. What is needed is that the government of Malaysia should write officially to the government of India to form a strategic partnership,” he told Bernama in an interview at Brahmos’ headquarters here.
Industry sources said that besides Malaysia, countries like Chile, Kuwait, South Africa and the United Arab Emirates have expressed interest in the Indian-Russian-made missile
Apart from the technical characteristics[and also some of the technical characteristics] it depends on the prespective and is relative.
I once asked a IAF jock[he had checked out the Shornet at AeroIndia-07,talked to the pilot,Boeing technicians] howd he feel if MRCA deal went to Boeing,he said that he thought the F-18 would be a good choice indeed…and a huge step up from existing capability.Incidentally he flies a Mig-27 which he describes as a “bomb truck having very poor manoeuvrability”.So it also depends on the perspective IMO.
A fixed probe is the only way to have the probe (thus the drogue) well in front of the wind shield in case **** happens. It’s lighter than a retractable probe, safer (no actuators, no moving parts, no leaks, no switches) and cheaper to produce and maintain. Its simplicity also makes it more resistant to battle damages (lower footprint, higher strength).
These benefits far outweight drag and RCS penalty, both being in the same league as a single SRAAM. That’s almost irrelevant when compared to the overall values.
Then I wonder why majority of fighter aircrafts have retractable probes..can those manufacturers not see these advantages?
Lots of theories – not many facts….who knows what the truth is?
Personally, I find it hard to believe the north Korean nuclear material story. If it was true, Israel and the US would make sure it was headline news around the world.
The Syrian’s are still insisting that they foiled the raid…
All we have seen till now is the pictures of dropped tanks and not dropped munitions.Of course any dropped munition would have been taken away for research..
IAF seeks govt nod to take part in ‘Red Flag’ war games
5 Oct 2007, 1620 hrs IST,PTI
NEW DELHI: In a move that could raise the hackles of the Left parties, the Indian Air Force has sought the government’s nod to take part in the world’s most advanced aerial combat training exercises, ironically labelled “Red Flag”, hosted by the US.The IAF wants to take part in the exercises slated for January 2008 and has sought government’s clearance, Air Force Chief Fali Homi Major said here on Friday.
If the government gives the nod, this would be the second time in months that the Indian armed forces would be engaged in war games with US and its NATO allies.
Last month Indian warships conducted war maneouvers with ships, submarines and fighters from US, Australia, Japan and Singapore in the Bay of Bengal, which triggered widespread protests from left parties.
“We have bid to take part in the exercises in 2008, which are most sought after by air forces the world over,” Major told reporters during an interaction here.
The Red Flag exercises are conducted in four to six cycles a year by the 414th Combat training squadron of the US Air Force to train fighter pilots from US, NATO and other allied countries for real combat situations by using live hardware and ammunition.
The exercises are conducted within the Nellis range complex, located northwest of Las Vegas, which covers an area of 60 nautical miles by 100 nautical miles approximately half the area of Switzerland.
What a/c will the IAF send..?
you on the other hand, do you know if there has been any complaints from customers concerning the fixed probe ? or if this design has prevented Dassault to make a sale ?
The main reason has gotta be cutting costs.As it is ,the Rafale is a very expensive a/c.Plus as you yourself said that there was no need to change a thing which worked well with the M2K.The risk of cancelled mission due to malfunction is a non-starter because as SLL pointed out,that could happen due to failure of multiple items and not just a simple probe.Even with a F probe say a valve failure could occur etc.
Significance is 1>It shows that the RCS isnt that small as Dassault claims.2>The thing looks ugly..
If Dassault says the fixed probe has minimal impact on RCS, that tells me Rafale RCS is huge.
Agree.Huge compared to other LO platforms out there[F-22,F-35].In other words,not very LO as claimed by Dassault.But thats nothing new actually.I mean whatever Dassault may claim,afterall it carries external stores..
I am not sure but I think that the Armée de l’Air is the one who wants a fixed refueling probe because they don’t want to have the slightest risk of a canceled mission because of a malfunction.
I am sure there isnt any problem with the probe,but the above is the most ridiculous thing that I have heard today.
That is the lamest excuse ever, modern combat aircraft are insanely complicated to the extent that the minor addition of retractable fuel probe should make barely any maintenance impact at all.
No cost cutting is the main reason.
OK,lets say its not,then what else could be the reason behind opting for a non retractable probe?