RayRNot very likely. They’d of had to have Jordan’s and Iraq’s permission to do so.
Do you think Israel asked for Syria’s permission also before bombing them?:rolleyes:
RayRNo, 50 MT is a turbojet, I think when the original Russian article was translated to English, it was translated as Rocket engine and Mr. Raghuvanshi faithfully copied it.
IMVHO any way.
Yup that makes sense.
RayRKeypub forum giving away Christmas gifts on demand?:eek: Thats GREAT!
OK,I want a Raptor:diablo:
RayRIf that’s the case (and it wouldn’t surprise me) that must have been quite an adventure.:eek:
Ummmm..most probably they went in and out through the Iraq border.
RayRSo it seems that the IsAF aircraft entered from north-north west through turkish aerospace flew along the edge of the northern border of Syria upto Tal-a-Abiad where they took a southerly route came over Dayr az Zawr fired their munitions at some target..and then took the same route back.Near
Tal-al-abiad (acc to Syrian claim) or further west near the Turkish border they were targetted by Syrian SAM probably S-200 or SA-2 and was fired upon(or at least locked upon) which led the planes to jettison their tanks.And then they followed the same route back home.
RayRDidnt know who he was..just googled and found out.Thx frankvw.
RayRAny reason PTAE-7 is not being further developed for this project? If i recall correctly it’s thrust was between 350-450 daN. Nowhere near the 500 Kn figure but it’s relatively a much smaller undertaking than Kaveri and Gas turbine agency should be able to handle those specs.
It provides 380 kg thrust.Quite a difference from 500 kgs.Everything has its developmental limit(probable reason?).
RayRWell, Mr.Raghuvanshi copied (read cut paste) TRDD-50 MT part from this Russian report (which was first published in Russian by Kommersant in 2006).
Sigh…so much for defence correspondent!!!
Hmm…what more can you expect from VR.:rolleyes:
Anyway,so if there are two conditions namely: one,50 MT is a rocket engine for the Lakshya and two,they want to make a cruise missile out of it then
1.maybe they want to upgrade Lakshya into a supersonic drone?Or maybe a recce version which is supposed to be under development?
2.If indeed they want to make a cruise missiles out of it then the rocket will be used as the booster rocket?
RayRRocket engines for a 600km cruise missile????
Which rocket powered russian cruise missile is being refered to in the article?
Thats DDM.Its Turbojet with max thrust 500 kgs…for the cruise phase.Engine 36 MT powers the Kh-59,engine 37-01-E powers the Klub.Dont know where the 50 MT is used.
RayRIndian-made UAV To Become A Cruise Missile
By Vivek Raghuvanshi
NEW DELHI — Indian and Israeli companies have teamed up to convert India’s Lakshya pilotless aircraft into a cruise missile, sources in the Indian Defence Ministry confirmed.
The proposed Lakshya cruise missile would carry a payload of 350 kilograms up to 600 kilometers, and the project is already under way. The Indian government has sanctioned $150 million for the project, sources said.
India’s Aeronautical Developmental Establishment (ADE) and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) are now working on three prototype cruise missiles that could be reused 10 times.
IAI officials here refused to comment.
ADE, Bangalore, is India’s sole UAV development laboratory under the state’s Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). A senior DRDO scientist said the organization submitted the Lakshya cruise missile proposal to the government last October.
Meanwhile, IAI and ADE have chosen the TRDD 50 MT engine made by Russian company NPO Saturn to power the proposed missile. The ADE is likely to carry out lab trials of Lakshya with the engine next year. DRDO scientists said full-fledged trials of three prototypes will be conducted by next July.
The ADE will acquire 200 engines over the next five years if the laboratory trials are successful, the DRDO scientist said.
NPO Saturn has already agreed to supply rocket engines for the project under a $100 million deal, Indian defense sources said. The engines, originally designed for Soviet cruise missiles, will have a thrust of 500 kilograms. They will be upgraded to provide several hours of flight time, compared with the current 45 minutes.
However, Defence Ministry officials did not confirm whether the engine deal has been finalized because of concerns it violates Missile Technology Control Regime restrictions on air vehicles traveling more than 300 kilometers. India is not a regime signatory, but Russia is.
DRDO officials claim the engines are being bought for a UAV, not a cruise missile.
Lakshya was inducted into the Indian Air Force in 2000, and an advanced version was tested early this year, the DRDO scientist said.
Lakshya was conceived by the DRDO in 1976 as a subsonic, remotely piloted, reusable aerial target system. Theturbojet system can be launched from land or ship and be controlled from as far away as 100 kilometers.
India and Israel also are co-developing advanced cruise missiles under the Sagarika project, which will be nuclear-capable with a range of up to 1,000 kilometers. The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is produced jointly between India and Russia, and the Indian Navy also has Russian Klub cruise missiles.
Last year, Pakistan test-fired its homegrown cruise missile, Babur, accelerating the pace of cruise missile development here. å
RayRWhere the heck is the chinese navy thread?
Lifting veil of secrecy, China shows off new class of n-powered attack subs
Manu Pubby
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Posted online: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 at 0000 hrs Print Email
NEW DELHI, SEPTEMBER 25: A photograph and an article in the state-run People’s Daily last week gave the world a glimpse of China’s new class of nuclear-powered attack submarines.
Faster, stealthier and exponentially lethal, the Shang (Type 093) class attack submarines are replacements for the first generation Han class boats that were famous for being the most noisy nuclear submarines in the world.
Analysts say the Shang class are building blocks for a Chinese blue-water navy.
While China-watchers in the Indian Navy have known about the new class of submarines for the past few years — construction of the submarines began in the mid-1990s but officials say that they became fully operational only last year — these are the first set of visuals on the latest killer submarine in China’s inventory.
“As far as the navy and armed forces are concerned, we have known about them for a long time. It is no secret,” former Navy Chief Admiral Arun Prakash told The Indian Express.
Indian Navy officers say that till now, Chinese nuclear submarines have never been detected in the Indian Ocean region but the long-range Shang class will give People’s Liberation Army-Navy (PLAN) the capability and reach to project its presence in the area.
“Nuclear submarines are noisier than diesel submarines but trade off the handicap by having a longer range and being faster. However, the first generation of Chinese submarines were slow and noisy. It remains to be seen how they have tackled the problems,” said a senior Navy officer.
China will gradually be replacing all five of its first generation Hans class nuclear submarines with the new machines.
Incidentally, the Indian Navy is also looking at inducting five indigenous ATV nuclear submarines. The first one, currently under production at Vizag, is likely to undergo sea trials by next year. Little is known about the new Shang Class but the over 6,000 tonne submarine is bigger than India’s indigenous ATV nuclear submarine that is projected to be in the 5,000 tonne category. Analysts say that outwardly, the Chinese design seems to be a cross between the Russian Victor III design and the American Los Angeles class submarines.
In contrast, the Akula II submarine being leased by India from Russia next year is in the 12,000-tonne category and a generation ahead of both the ATV and the Shang class submarines.
However, the real threat will come from the Jin class of submarines being built by China. It will be capable of launching nuclear-tipped ballistic missiles. The ATV, to be equipped by indigenous Sagarika submarine-launched missiles currently undergoing tests in the Bay of Bengal, will be India’s match to the Jin class, officials say.
While India is still ahead in the maritime game with greater presence and reach, analysts say that with the nuclear submarines and a new aircraft carrier currently under development, China is fast narrowing the gap and moving towards world class capabilities.
RayRhttp://frontierindia.net/first-six-indian-pilots-gain-their-wings-on-new-hawk/
First six Indian pilots gain their wings on new Hawk
The first six Indian Air Force (IAF) flying instructors have successfully completed their ‘Convex Flying Programme’ on the BAE Systems Hawk 132 aircraft.
Once the first Hawks have been delivered to the Indian Air Force later this year, these instructors will develop the new advanced fast jet training system and begin training students who will be the IAF’s next generation frontline pilots.
Under the 10-week programme the pilots carried out ground school training and UK orientation simulator sorties at RAF Valley, avionics training at BAE Systems Brough, and sea survival training, prior to undertaking flying training. The flying phase covers 15 flights per pilot (including night flying) over a 5-week period, demanding a particularly high flying rate.
Paul Comer, Indian Hawk senior instructor pilot, said “The course has been very wide ranging, covering all aspects of fast jet flying training. Despite the unseasonable UK weather, the 90 required sorties have been flown in just 5 weeks using, on average, only 2 aircraft. This rate of flying is quite an achievement for the aircraft and all of the Indian Hawk Convex team. The six IAF pilots have all adapted well to the new aircraft and have achieved a good standard in all the disciplines.”
RayRand this is where the trolling began and Indians made sure that little bit fire was well enough feuled,
Anyways…any further out-of-topic discussion is total lack of maturity on whoever is involved in it so Gentlemen and ladies…grow up…and I wonder where is the moderation team.
Crybaby.:p
RayR“Those infidels I tell you, its all their fault. Becaaaaaaause they are infidels!”
Comical Ali, aka Baghdad Bob aka Phrozen Flame in his day job circa 2003
😀 😀 😀
RayRIndian Air Force 243 Air Warrior Task Force To Be Deployed In Congo
Dated 25/9/2007
It is indeed a matter of pride to be amongst air warriors of IAC-I, who are due to embark on a peace keeping mission in the DR Congo. This 243 Air Warrior strong task force is being led by Group Captain NJS Dhillon and this motivated team will soon be part of the United Nations.
The contingent will be based at Goma, located amidst dense tropical forests, active volcanoes and ocean like lakes adjacent to Congo-Rwanda Uganda border. Charter of this contingent will be to enforce peace and will entail support of the Mi-17 utility helicopters as well as the Mi-25 attack helicopters. The contingent will operate in a hostile environment dotted with inhospitable terrain in the north eastern part of Congo.
IAF has established a good reputation in undertaking peace keeping duties in support of the United Nations. Incidentally, the first mission was also in Congo, nearly half a century back in 1961 when six Canberra bombers of No. 5 Squadron adorned with the IAF’s saffron white-green roundels were inducted to restore peace. These bombers had a dramatic impact on neutralization of the mercenary-run Katangan Air Force. Later, IAF made substantial contribution to the peace keeping effort in Somalia and Sierra Leone by undertaking some daring missions. In 2003, IAF was once again called upon by the UN to operate its attack and utility helicopters for wide-ranging operations to control the turbulence in Congo.
The Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) has been afflicted by continuous strife ever since its independence in 1960. Located in Central Africa, it is a large country with a population of around 60 million with nearly 350 African ethnic groups. It is well endowed with natural resources including diamonds, gold and other minerals. Its people, however remain amongst the poorest in the world as the economy is in shambles. A vicious war is on for control of resources between the Government and the rebel forces. Decades of ethnic and civil wars, compounded by invasions have taken a terrible toll. With civil infrastructure and economy collapsed, no rule of law and armed groups terrorizing the country, a humanitarian crisis is prevailing in the country with millions of refugees and displaced people. The UN effort to control the situation was greatly handicapped because of the severe limitations of infrastructure. There is paucity of roads. Undulating terrain carpeted with dense tropical forests is subjected to heavy rainfall, that not only slowed down road transportation but also movement of ground forces. Under these conditions, the Indian Air Force was tasked to shoulder the enormous task of restoring peace and assisting La Peuple Congalis to lead life without constant fear.
The IAC-I comprises of five Mi-17 utility helicopters and four Mi-25 attack helicopters. The envisaged roles for the Mi-17 helicopters is observation, recce, search and rescue, casualty evacuation, logistics supply troop insertion, extraction and armed support as and when necessary. They are appropriately named Equatorial Eagles as their span of operational area straddles the equator in the ‘Dark Continent’. The attack helicopters are mainly for deterrence and may be used to provide fire support during heliborne and ground convoys. These helicopters have earned the reputation of being a force to reckon with and their quick response is effective in qualifying hostile intents invariably, the militias retreat promptly, reigning in peace and order in the area. No wonder, Mi-25s are known as ‘Henshaw’ the bird that breathes fire.
The IAF contingent has dramatically enhanced the reach and effectiveness of the UN(MONUC) in the ever hostile environment of the Congo. Living up to their motto ‘We support peace and life”, the IAF contingent has consistently kept the rebel’s head down while winning the hearts and minds of the local civilian population. It is not without reason that the UN authorities have rated the Indian Aviation Contingent-I as ‘The best and most exceptional in MONUC’. This set of air warriors also aims to ‘Touch the sky with glory’ in peace keeping.
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