I am not sure that the designation RDM2 is correct.I think it should be R73E.
Actually the above article is from PDF (Pakistani- DF). Missile has been riduculed by many people over there. And many disgusting things are going on over there.
I think Mr. Arshad must have seen the thread and thought lets post in other forums maybe there are some more intelligent opinions (like in PDF:D :rolleyes: ) can be discussed over here.
This post is just a joke by him.cheers
I concur.
no Kaduna2003, i was’nt blaming PDF for posting the article. I was just pointing out that the level of discussions on PDF is laughable. Once again, thats just MHO. Those frequenting that forum are entitled to their own opinion.
That bogus report finds its way into here also:rolleyes:
Boy lets send all those HT reporters to you know where and people there will have a field day!;) 😀
How can the RMAF be inept, eh? They fly both Hornet and Fulcrum, and you bet they have far more experience with the Fulcrum than the Canadians. From the RMAF exercises, the Fulcrums don’t try to turn with Hornets in close in fights. The RMAF happens to be a very well trained and professional force, which exercises with the RAAF and other Commonwealth air forces.
I have to agree with Mig23 MLD here.No aircraft in IAF has beat the Mig29s in turning dogfights.What the M2Ks have of course is a very good nose pointing ability and are difficult to pick out…they are also pretty good.But in a turning dogfight the Mig29s beat the M2Ks.
And in the IAF, the MiG-29 does not beat the M2K, which was the original front runner, and the plane the MRCA specification was originally concieved for.
In fact Mig-29 do beat the M2K both in WVR and BVR…and before the arrival of the MKI ,or the upgraded Bisons,the Mig29(+R-27R and later R77s) were the principal BVR combatant of the IAF and provided slightly more capability in BVR than M2K with Super 530D.
Even during Kargil it was the Mig29s who always gave top cover while M2Ks were used as strike platform and escort for the strike mirages.
Lol, because they have no choice. France has already disbanded the M2K production line and wants India to buy Rafales. With no choice left, India had to upgrade their MiG-29s, but that wasn’t their original and favored choice, which is to acquire more of the Mirage 2000s. Russia tried every bait to make India buy more MiG-29s other than the limited allotment of MiG-29Ks, and I guess literally tied in exchange to Pakistan’s RD-93 acquisition.
You are mixing it up.
Upgradation of the Mig-29s have no relation with the IAF wanting to acquire more M2Ks their MRCA.India wanted the M2Ks because of falling squadron levels due to retirement of most of the Mig 21 and Mig23 variants.And also…the aim was to acquire “single engined aircraft” to replace retired “single engined aircraft”.Thats why the preference for M2K.And RFPs were sent to Saab(Gripen),Dassault(M2K) and LM(F-16).And you dont think that if India got their hands on the M2K they wouldnt have to upgrade the 50+ Mig29s..do you?Every plane will go for mid-life upgrades and for the IAF they would want to keep the planes in service for as long as possible.
It was later that Dassault withdrew M2K from competition and started pushing for Rafale.
Also the upgraded Mig29s(to SMT standards) compare quite favourably with M2Ks upgraded to M2K-5 standards.So there is no reason that IAF wouldnt want to upgrade it,and go for M2Ks instead.
Please correct me if I am wrong – but I always thought that ESM was a more overarching system than just ECM ??
In other words ESM can identify – and then ECM/counter (jam).
So ECM falls within an ESM system….
I found the following definition….
“electronic warfare support measures (ESM): 1. That division of electronic warfare involving actions taken under direct control of an operational commander to search for, intercept, identify, and locate sources of radiated electromagnetic energy for the purpose of immediate threat recognition. Thus, electronic warfare support measures (ESM) provide a source of information required for immediate decisions involving electronic countermeasures (ECM), electronic counter-countermeasures (ECCM), avoidance, targeting, and other tactical employment of forces. Electronic warfare support measures data can be used to produce signals intelligence (SIGINT), both communications intelligence (COMINT) and electronics intelligence (ELINT). 2. That division of electronic warfare involving action taken to search for, intercept, identify, and locate radiated electromagnetic energy for the purpose of immediate threat recognition. It provides a source of information required for immediate decisions involving electronic countermeasures, electronic counter-countermeasures, and other tactical actions such as avoidance, targeting and homing.”
I have highlighted the bit where ECM is inside ESM (at least I think that’s what it means :confused:
Ken
Basically the terms ESM(or ES/electronic support),ECM(or EA/Electronic Attack) and EPM(EP/electronic protection) are overlapping.The main difference between ESM and ECM is that ESM is always passive,where as ECM can be both passive and active.ESM is concerned with mainly gathering information.ECM on the other hand is for intervention.When you are gathering information about the enemy’s radar that could be ESM but when ever you are trying to jam it actively(with the pod) that will be called ECM.
Here is an article you could go through if interested:
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/MONITOR/ISSUE5-1/manoj.html
The KNIRTI SPS171/L005 Sorbtsiya is a RF jammer pod.So it would fall under ECM,not ESM.I think its the same family as the Gardeniya except that the Sorbtsiya is probably more capable than the Gardeniya.
also I got this one..dont know what designation,pedestal/ceiling fan art etc etc…

Could not find any recent threads on the Russian Air Force so this one is the closest……… Here some nice pics of Russian Su-27 and MiG-31.: http://forums.airforce.ru/showthread.php?t=765 😎
Here are also some details about the pics……http://forums.airforce.ru/showpost.php?p=13722&postcount=81
Nice Mig31 pix there.btw..what do the stars painted on side of the Su 27cockpit signiofy?kills?or live missile firings?
I wonder why they stuck to a nonassisted delta layout when just about everyone in the world has abandoned it.
If I had the data of the wind-tunnel testing,I could comment.
BTW..after having canards on the Su30 series,the Russkies abandoned it on the Su35.
ADA/HAL while designing the Tejas dropped the canard configuration after extensive windtunnel testing because it didnt offer any significant advantage.The naval version was designed at first to have small canards,then they replaced the canards with levcons and foreplanes,and the models from AI2007 show only the levcons remaining.
I wonder why.
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