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  • in reply to: Russia Shot Down Its Own Planes? #2434345
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    Wiki also lists Georgia as an operator of the Tor-M1 (SA-15) but, having looked through probably thousands of photos of the conflict (including hundreds of photos of captured Georgian equipment), I don’t remember ever seeing any Tors. Of course, my memory could be playing tricks on me or all the Tors (Wiki says they have six – systems/vehicles?) could have been destroyed prior to capture. Still, I would like to see proper confirmation that they were operated by Georgian air defence units. Wiki and strategypage are sources of questionable reliability in these matters and, what’s worse, tend to feed off one another.

    in reply to: Russian Aircraft Factories #2434699
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    Great list UAZ – thanks for compiling it.

    Thanks UAZ!

    in reply to: The PAK-FA Saga Episode VIII #2434888
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    In the class of weapons air-to-surface missile at MAKS-2009 will be submitted designs for missiles, general (multipurpose), as well as samples, specialized for specific purposes. This protivoradiolokatsionnye, anti-(on ships), and anti-administered funds.

    Credit Crunch Special?

    in reply to: Russia Shot Down Its Own Planes? #2434961
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    But at the end of the day the end result was the Serbs folded up and admitted defeat, pretty much through air power alone. They couldn’t stop the attacks and wisely choose to back down. People need to face facts, they lost badly.

    Dog bites man = not news.

    Man bites dog = news!

    The world’s most powerful military alliance defeats small country impoverished by almost a decade of sanctions and war = not news.

    in reply to: Russia Shot Down Its Own Planes? #2435433
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    Ink you do realise that certain targets were off limits? NATO planners didn’t have full and free reign to attack certain targets that they wanted to. General John Jumper is on the record as being frustrated that political clearance was not granted to attack the most troublesome early warning radars in for example Montenegro. Civilian radars off the target list were also free to remain active and be utilised by the military. Even with those advantages in 78 days only two manned NATO aircraft were shot down.

    TJ

    On 2 May 1999, a USAF F-16CG was lost over Serbia. It was shot down by an S-125 Pechora SAM (NATO: SA-3 ‘Goa’) near Nakucani. Its pilot managed to eject and was later rescued by a combat search-and-rescue (CSAR) mission.
    But that did change nothing about the outcome. The NATO had the air dominance over Serbia and no intention to invade Serbia with ground forces.
    The Serbian AD was unable to prevent NATO air activity over Serbia nor fend-off a single attack on a choosen target= close to zero capacity.
    At least most of the AD people did survive that time, when on the constant run. See the personal report of the commanding officer, whose unit was honored to bring down the single F-117A.

    Last thing I want to do is make this into a discussion about Allied Force, which have been hashed and re-hashed on this and other forums a million times. I simply intended to illustrate that completely shutting down an air defence network is no mean feat. Indeed, NATO had months and months to prepare their intel and strikes on Yugoslav targets and still ‘had difficulties’ (a phrase we can hopefully agree on for the sake of brevity) well into its air campaign. It should come as no surprise then that the Russians, with much less time to prepare and build up intel and assets had even more trouble with the Georgian air defence network. That was the point I was trying to make initially and intended no digression from the original subject.

    in reply to: Russia Shot Down Its Own Planes? #2435522
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    Close to zero capacity to stay correct, when the NATO air raids were not directed at that. It was about political pressure by military force.

    Well, watching you prove that the air defence system was at “close to zero capacity” is going to be interesting. What we can say for definite is a USAF F-16 was shot down on May 2nd – well into a campaign whose proponents claimed they would shut down the air defence network on the first night*.

    * Please don’t make me search for the hyperbolic statements made by NATO spokesmen in the run up to (and during) the conflict.

    in reply to: Russia Shot Down Its Own Planes? #2435594
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    The Russians were not completely able to suppress Georgian SAM batteries, which were Russian made, i.e. SA-11 and SA-17 Gadflies, SA-15 Gauntlets i.e. they did not know how to counter their own SAM designs!

    You’re over-stating it a little. The fact is that on day five of the conflict the Georgian AD network was dead. Its true that the Russians initially underestimated the capabilities of Georgian air defence units but this, it seems, was down to the conflict as a whole being a bit rushed and generally poor intelligence on the strength of Georgian forces. After that the Russians took no chances and, through a combination of ground forces, missile strikes and air attacks, killed the Georgian AD network.

    For, a slightly unfair, comparison; the Yugoslav air defence network was still functioning (although obviously not at 100% capacity) after 78 days of air raids by overwhelming NATO forces.

    in reply to: Belarus new roundel #2435598
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    Now that we’re on the subject of the Belorussian AF – they don’t make the news much (except for a few stories here and there about integrating their air defence system with Russia), are their any plans to modernise their ageing fleet?

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    Nice find. Thanks.

    in reply to: Russian Aviation News – Part Deux #2435930
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    Interesting that they still don’t appear to be fitted with the DIRCM and similar defensive systems fitted to the Ka-52 prototypes, and rather worrying that they’re continuing to show them off without their flares dispensers.
    Also, what’s the strange canted spotlight-like object on the right-hand side of the nose?

    Don’t you also get the feeling that Mil have been resting on their laurels somewhat while Kamov have really worked to improve the avionics fit on their choppers?

    in reply to: Russian Aviation News – Part Deux #2436662
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    …I’ve got the phone call transcript:

    RuMoD guy: ” Ok, Mikhail, under the ‘Flanker Scrappage Scheme’ we’ll take 60″

    Mr PoGo: ” Mother-[beep], [beep] you [beep] [beeeeeeeeeep] promised me at least 75!!!!!who the [beep] do ya think you’re talking to!!! [beeeep]”

    RuMoD guy: “we don’t care how Supa-Dupa or how ‘deeply modernised’ it is, we want the PAK-FA- anytime this half of the century would be nice!! -and just for that outburst make it 50!!”

    Mr PoGo: “Jesus [beeep] Christ, who the [beep] do ya think we are? [beep] [beeeeeeep] [beep] LM? What do bean-counters like you know about military needs,for [beeep] sake”

    RuMod guy “…….48”

    Mr PoGo: ” d’oh!!!”

    Brilliant! Thanks for that Otaku.

    in reply to: Fulcrum Down in Belgrade #2436898
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    http://www.airserbia2009.vs.rs/en/index-en.html

    and

    http://www.beogradairshow.rs/

    Although I expect the latter will now be cancelled. Last year a G-4 crashed while training for the Belgrade air show and, because the pilot also lost his life, the show was called off. It seems that this air show is somehow doomed and there have already been calls to cancel it permanently.

    The Batajnica air show is likely to still go ahead as there will be delegations from foreign air forces, which will make it more difficult to cancel.

    in reply to: Fulcrum Down in Belgrade #2436910
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    The Serbian Ministry of Defence has confirmed that the pilot and a soldier on the ground have been killed. May they rest in peace.

    in reply to: Fulcrum Down in Belgrade #2436914
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    Just to speculate a little on the causes: With two up-coming air shows in Belgrade this summer it is very likely that the pilot was performing high-risk manoeuvres in preparation for the display flights. With that in mind, any number of things could have gone wrong and caused the crash.

    in reply to: Russian Space & Missile[ News/Discussion] Part-3 #1815284
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    Cosmos satellite launch:

    MOSCOW, July 6 (RIA Novosti) – A Rokot carrier rocket has orbited three Russian military satellites, a spokesman for Russia’s Space Forces said.

    The Rokot, carrying three Cosmos-series satellites, was launched by Russia’s Space Forces from the Plesetsk space center in northwest Russia early on Monday, Lt. Col. Alexei Zolotukhin said.

    Russia reportedly operates a network of about 60-70 military reconnaissance satellites. Some experts believe the new satellites could be part of Russia’s Oko (Eye) orbital missile early warning network.

    The Rokot launch vehicle is a modified version of the Russian RS-18 (SS-19 Stiletto) intercontinental ballistic missile. It uses the two original lower stages of the ICBM, in conjunction with a Breeze-KM upper-stage for commercial payloads.

    Russia has carried out 16 space launches since the beginning of 2009.

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